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Gandalf The White
13 March 2020 14:13:39


My 'just for fun' model is now predicting 75k cases in total. Very sensitive to changes in parameters. Will be interesting to see if it starts to converge as more data comes in.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


So, fewer than 1,000 deaths, assuming the 75,000 is not skewed towards the more vulnerable.  If so, that would be a fantastic result given some of the predictions.


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Brian Gaze
13 March 2020 14:14:29


My 'just for fun' model is now predicting 75k cases in total. Very sensitive to changes in parameters. Will be interesting to see if it starts to converge as more data comes in.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


How does that marry up with the desire to achieve "herd immunity" which Vallance says needs 60% infection?


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Arcus
13 March 2020 14:14:54
My "not really much fun at all" model is still predicting circa 30 to 50 million UK cases in total.
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Quantum
13 March 2020 14:15:08


 


So, fewer than 1,000 deaths, assuming the 75,000 is not skewed towards the more vulnerable.  If so, that would be a fantastic result given some of the predictions.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I doubt it's going to stay on 75k though. It was 21k yesterday.


My hope is the volatility in the model predictions will start to decrease over time as the data comes in.


Also the 75k is confirmed cases, not actual cases.


 


 


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29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 14:17:54

From the Telegraph:


"Boris Johnson is to hold talks with world leaders amid efforts to coordinate a global response to the coronavirus pandemic. 


The Prime Minister spokesman this afternoon confirmed that he would hold a series of calls with other leaders, having already spoken to Emmanuel Macron and Justin Trudeau.


It comes amid concern that efforts to slow the spread of the virus could be hampered without international cooperation"


 


New world order coming.
Quantum
13 March 2020 14:18:17


 


How does that marry up with the desire to achieve "herd immunity" which Vallance says needs 60% infection?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It assumes a roughly constant decline in R0. The model  is incapable of forecasting resurgent periods which would be as a result of an unsustainable drop in R0 which then rises again due to complacency e.c.t.


The UK does seem to be gearing towards a long term reduction in R0 rather than a short term one. So they seem to be banking on a resurgence occuring in SK, singapore e.c.t.


But I don't know. I wouldn't take any results out of this model too seriously. HMG will have far more sophisticated models than I do.


 


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29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Lionel Hutz
13 March 2020 14:18:38


 


Yes. Was due to travel to Almeria next weekend. Not going now. Ryanair are doing changes free of charge, but think spain will close down soon, so will have refund and go later. Maybe. 


Originally Posted by: chelseagirl 


My Millwall match is cancelled tomorrow but I reckon I'll still head over. Or am I mad not to cancel my trip?


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Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 14:20:05


I doubt it's going to stay on 75k though. It was 21k yesterday.


My hope is the volatility in the model predictions will start to decrease over time as the data comes in.


Also the 75k is confirmed cases, not actual cases.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Indeed. The Kings College epidemiologist who originally said the testing figures understated the true figure by a factor of 10 to 20, yesterday revised that to a factor of 50 to 100 times.


So your 75k becomes 7,500,000 on the top estimate.


New world order coming.
John p
13 March 2020 14:20:11
I think real panic stations to the general public will kick in when somebody ‘famous’ becomes critically ill / dies.

Incidentally, we’ve all just had a notice to crash our diaries for a Cov-19 conference call at 3pm.
I suspect we’ll all be ordered to WFH from now on...
Camberley, Surrey
Hungry Tiger
13 March 2020 14:20:53


From the Telegraph:


"Boris Johnson is to hold talks with world leaders amid efforts to coordinate a global response to the coronavirus pandemic. 


The Prime Minister spokesman this afternoon confirmed that he would hold a series of calls with other leaders, having already spoken to Emmanuel Macron and Justin Trudeau.


It comes amid concern that efforts to slow the spread of the virus could be hampered without international cooperation"


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Sensible.


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Gavin D
13 March 2020 14:23:51
3,007 test results in the 24hrs to 9am with 208 positive which is 6.9%

westv
13 March 2020 14:30:17


My 'just for fun' model is now predicting 75k cases in total. Very sensitive to changes in parameters. Will be interesting to see if it starts to converge as more data comes in.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


My total guess stays at 300,000.


At least it will be mild!
Quantum
13 March 2020 14:31:56


 


My total guess stays at 300,000.


Originally Posted by: westv 


I do acknoledge my model is probably massively underestimating this, and part of that because the confirmed cases underestimate the true number.


 


I'm not convinced it is possible that we can flatten the curve to avoid collapse tbh.


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
13 March 2020 14:32:59

It may well be that HMG's strategy is concentrating on reducing the ICU rate at all costs. Even if one of those costs is more younger/healthier people becoming infected.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Bugglesgate
13 March 2020 14:36:48


 


Yeah, I commented on this yesterday. Trump (in his infinite stupidity) has probably done Europe a big favour.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Indeed - and conversely, we are supposed to be his "mate" and but he's  "dumped" on us royally.  Not only do we have to endure free flow of Americans we have to  host extra ones as they "flow" through the UK on their way too and from  mainland Europe.  Have we have become an infected "Septic" tank"  ? 


 


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Gavin D
13 March 2020 14:40:09


It may well be that HMG's strategy is concentrating on reducing the ICU rate at all costs. Even if one of those costs is more younger/healthier people becoming infected.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


If most healthy people can recover in 5-days or so like Callum Hudson-Odoi has they'll probably think it's worth it to try and lessen the impact from round 2 next winter

Maunder Minimum
13 March 2020 14:41:43


It may well be that HMG's strategy is concentrating on reducing the ICU rate at all costs. Even if one of those costs is more younger/healthier people becoming infected.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There is one thing we need to know which trumps any test results and numbers (which are largely meaningless in terms of the wider population) and that is the actual hospitalisation rate.


 


New world order coming.
warrenb
13 March 2020 14:45:11
This could well be China's great opportunity. Just as they are coming out of this, the west are diving deeper and deeper into trouble. Watch their offers of help going to Africa and friendly nations.
Quantum
13 March 2020 14:45:30


 


There is one thing we need to know which trumps any test results and numbers (which are largely meaningless in terms of the wider population) and that is the actual hospitalisation rate.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The confirmed numbers arn't necessarily meaningless even if they are inaccurate provided they are only inaccurate to a constant factor.


 


Anyway I think the truth is HMG recognizes that the efforts of our european counterparts are futile and have no hope of stopping the virus. And even if they do bring it down into remission it will just surge in a 2nd wave.


They may well be right.


 


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
NickR
13 March 2020 14:46:46
Roger Parsons
13 March 2020 14:50:06

This could well be China's great opportunity. Just as they are coming out of this, the west are diving deeper and deeper into trouble. Watch their offers of help going to Africa and friendly nations.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Like saving our Steel Industry, Warren.


Jingye to invest £1bn and save 'thousands of British Steel jobs'


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50369413


See: Hebei Jingye Group: “Being practical and seeking higher, strive for the first forever.”


http://www.hbjyjt.com/jy000/en/about/index.asp


 


Roger


 


 


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Chunky Pea
13 March 2020 14:53:24

No. of reported cases (global) Vs mortality rate from the 9th up to 8am today:


 



 


Source: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases


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Darren S
13 March 2020 14:59:38

I think real panic stations to the general public will kick in when somebody ‘famous’ becomes critically ill / dies.

Incidentally, we’ve all just had a notice to crash our diaries for a Cov-19 conference call at 3pm.
I suspect we’ll all be ordered to WFH from now on...

Originally Posted by: John p 


That's exactly what we had at lunchtime, which means I get out of travelling to London to run a training course next Wednesday, thank goodness.


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Chunky Pea
13 March 2020 15:01:29


 


Wishes of the people in late April 2020



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


My local chip shop after the pubs close on a Fri night. 


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warrenb
13 March 2020 15:05:00
And up go all the Borders, like a domino affect.
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