Arteta ‘feeling better already’ after coronavirus diagnosis,

Is it possible in a year's time we could end up with a 1984 type dystopia with half of the countries having herd immunity and trading with each other, but completely closed borders to the other half who locked down totally and eradicated the initial wave? Optimistic thought there

I have been reading up on behavioural science - an absolutely fascinating subject.

The interesting thing is this (and I am hoping this is what is behind the Uk government's approach) - if people change their behaviour voluntarily, it is far, far more effective than if they are told not to do something by government edict - that is just human nature. Take Italy - when it leaked out that the Italian Government was going to quarantine Lombardy, it caused a mass exodus of people from the north as thousands travelled south the night before to avoid it, this spreading the epidemic ever deeper across Italy and forcing the government then to extend the restrictions to the whole of Italy.

 

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They will still vote Tory. Latest poll puts them above 50%. The plebs love Boris

 

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The leave campaign said EU members had no control over their borders. Clearly they do

 

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Remember Leave were all about big lies and big spin. It works.  The Himmler model.

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Nudge, Nudge, Wink Wink, say no more.

EDIT: to qualify - yes, get people clamouring for wanting what the government already knows it's going to do so there's no kickback.

 

cf. You don't need this now Nudge experiments

 

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BREAKING Trump 'may add' UK to travel ban

President Donald Trump says that he "may add" the UK to the list of European countries affected by the US travel ban. He said his government is looking at the rise in cases in Britain in the past 24 hours, which he described as "precipitous".

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Not if a vaccine is available within 18 months.

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The Irish Times asks the crucial questions:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/lots-of-extra-soap-and-sanitiser-can-orgies-survive-in-the-age-of-coronavirus-1.4202049

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Only the Fail but another potential worry wrt herd immunity. Immunity to what? Walking?

Coronavirus patients who recover can be left with damaged lungs and may struggle to breathe when they walk, researchers claim

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8110389/Coronavirus-patients-recover-left-damaged-lungs-researchers-claim.html

 

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Gatherings of 500 or more to be banned for next weekend whilst schools and nurseries will be forced to stay open if they're found to have closed unnecessarily 

Just reading a local FB group. Parents with kids at a school where a pupil is positive are outraged about the situation. Many are keeping their kids at home. The current situation can't be sustained much longer IMO.

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even the flu can have long-lasting impacts depending on the severity.

i also imagine shutting everything down ala Italy would have a much bigger impact on the economy than allowing 60% of the population to become infected. If an estimated 10,000 are already infected, quarantine measures will be completely pointless at this point. They haven’t done much in Italy because they already had an undetected epidemic. All they’re really doing is f*cking up their already fragile economy for no real reason. 

for the most part I’m pretty satisfied with how things are going here. People might self-isolate for a couple of weeks but on a longer-term basis it just isn’t feasible bar highly draconian measures.

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I have already run this hypothesis past Xioni, MM:

"Could it be that the government is steering us gently into demanding the tough strategy they wish to pursue? To get away with it they need to be able to say they are responding to the wishes of the people."

Roger

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Absolute nonsense. You're trying to juggle jelly. 

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What does that mean?

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Most schools in Germany closing:

Until the beginning of the Easter holidays on April 6th, all kindergartens, schools and Kitas (daycare centers) will shut their doors in 13 of 16 of Germany's states: Bavaria, Berlin, Saarland, Schleswig-Holstein, Saxony-Anhalt, Hesse, Hamburg, Bremen, Baden-Württemberg, Thuringia, Lower Saxony, North Rhine-Westphalia, and Rheinland-Palatinate.

This means that educational institutions will effectively be closed until April 20th, or the end of the holidays. 

Saarland first announced the closures late on Thursday, which state leaders said was due to its more vulnerable situation as a border state with France.

Bavaria and Berlin, both which have had several individual closures, announced Friday morning that they were also temporarily shutting down schools, with the other states following suit throughout the day.

https://www.thelocal.de/20200313/coronavirus-bavaria-and-saarland-to-close-all-schools

 

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You are trying to achieve something that is not achievable.

You still seem to think that there's a route out of this that does not involve the majority of any county's population not getting this virus. You also seem to think there's something that could have been done before now that could have prevented that.

 

 

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And the advice from Germany is still that 70% of the population will get the virus. Given that tallies with what our Government are saying, what is it that they are doing that you think we should be doing? 

You. Will. Not. Reduce. The. Infection %

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The Welsh health minister lets the cat out of the bag:

Up to 20,000 people in Wales could die amid the coronavirus outbreak in a worst-case scenario, the country's health minister has said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8110671/Wales-death-toll-reach-20-000-people-health-minister-warns.html

That suggests the UK could be looking at around 500,000 deaths in the worst case.

 

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Progress...

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