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Gooner
14 March 2020 21:25:04


 


“Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,

And sorry I could not travel both...
 
...I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.”

 
Whether that is for better or worse we don’t know know at the moment.
 
(With thanks to the late great Robert Frost)

 
 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Yes point very well made but IMO we have been very laid back and as I said in a previous post , the banning of large gatherings is only being discussed because of what sport governing bodies have done ...IMO

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Arcus
14 March 2020 21:25:13
Quick post, re some of those anit-virals being posted about earlier having talked to someone who knows:
a) Expense and capacity would preclude wide-scale use
b) Last resort drugs that have horrendous long-term side-affects in many patients.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Arcus
14 March 2020 21:26:05

I find it quite amazing how many of these lockdowns/border closures/flight bans are (supposedly) ending in just a few weeks it could take the likes of Italy & Spain at least another 2 to 4 weeks before they start and see sufficient falls to start and reopen properly then you've got Northern Europe and the UK who are probably a month or so behind (longer in the UK if the modeling is right) all seems very optimistic from many Governments.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Try 1 year.

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Bugglesgate
14 March 2020 21:26:32

I find it quite amazing how many of these lockdowns/border closures/flight bans are (supposedly) ending in just a few weeks it could take the likes of Italy & Spain at least another 2 to 4 weeks before they start and see sufficient falls to start and reopen properly then you've got Northern Europe and the UK who are probably a month or so behind (longer in the UK if the modeling is right) all seems very optimistic from many Governments.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


I think you will find these bans will "roll on".  It's a case of "not frightening the horses" IMHO.


 


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
xioni2
14 March 2020 21:28:05


 My Spidey Sense would say that the WHO advice will gravitate toward UKGOV position over time rather than vice-versa.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


Arcus
14 March 2020 21:28:58


 


 



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
doctormog
14 March 2020 21:30:34


 


Yes point very well made but IMO we have been very laid back and as I said in a previous post , the banning of large gatherings is only being discussed because of what sport governing bodies have done ...IMO


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I wonder if it was actually a strategy discussed at the COBRA meeting as Nicola Sturgeon announced that measure for Scotland after the meeting. The move is intended to take pressure off the emergency services who may need to attend large events and not as a method for limiting the spread.


Spidey senses? Someone has been spending too much time on the web. 

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
SJV
14 March 2020 21:33:55


 


 



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I see you got that straight from Darren's Rogues Gallery  Hope you're feeling better now, Ben 

Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 21:36:05


 


told by who? Obviously fake crap


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


It could be fake but I am reliably told that some NHS managers have circulated it. They could have been caught out by it.

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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xioni2
14 March 2020 21:38:46


 Try 1 year.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Which is obviously not possible and it'd throw some weight in favour of our more cautious approach. Take Greece for example, I doubt they'd be able to keep everything closed for more than 1-2 months at most. They might do it in waves though.

Gavin D
14 March 2020 21:39:47

The world snooker championship in Sheffield is still planned to go ahead as normal in 4-weeks time as is next week's Tour Championship in Llandudno.

SJV
14 March 2020 21:41:13


The world snooker championship in Sheffield is still planned to go ahead as normal in 4-weeks time as is next week's Tour Championship in Llandudno.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I would imagine the former especially will be cancelled in due course.

Gooner
14 March 2020 21:41:21


 


I wonder if it was actually a strategy discussed at the COBRA meeting as Nicola Sturgeon announced that measure for Scotland after the meeting. The move is intended to take pressure off the emergency services who may need to attend large events and not as a method for limiting the spread.


Spidey senses? Someone has been spending too much time on the web. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Then announce it straight away , last week it wasn't an issue but the PL and EFL and other sporting bodies make a decision then its suddenly being discussed .


I'm well aware of why , but my point is it should have been done a week ago at least 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


SJV
14 March 2020 21:43:22


 


It could be fake but I am reliably told that some NHS managers have circulated it. They could have been caught out by it.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I would question the original source. Where has it come from? There is no logo and as Doc pointed out it doesn't even have UK spellings.


I agree given the times we are in it could easily have caught a few senior staff out. I hope it is fake purely because the figures quoted are worse than originally thought.

NickR
14 March 2020 21:43:38


 


Which is obviously not possible and it'd throw some weight in favour of our more cautious approach. Take Greece for example, I doubt they'd be able to keep everything closed for more than 1-2 months at most. They might do it in waves though.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes. I think that's possible.

Nick
Durham
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Gavin D
14 March 2020 21:47:38

Government to rent 8,000 private hospital bed's to relieve pressure from NHS hospitals


doctormog
14 March 2020 21:47:41


 


Then announce it straight away , last week it wasn't an issue but the PL and EFL and other sporting bodies make a decision then its suddenly being discussed .


I'm well aware of why , but my point is it should have been done a week ago at least 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


If the rationale is to prevent overloading emergency services, given the impact, why do it before the services are at risk of being overloaded?

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Gavin D
14 March 2020 21:52:08

Hampshire is now the UK's corona 'hotspot' with 41 confirmed cases


 


Hampshire: 41   
Southwark: 28    
Kensington and Chelsea: 27    
Lambeth: 25    
Westminster: 24    
Barnet: 23    
Hertfordshire: 21    
Oxfordshire: 21    
Camden: 19    
Ealing: 18 


 


25 NHS/local authority regions have 1 confirmed case

doctormog
14 March 2020 21:52:37


 


It could be fake but I am reliably told that some NHS managers have circulated it. They could have been caught out by it.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I seriously doubt, given the infrastructure and bureaucracy of the NHS and the management teams would circulate that poster. The only posters we have circulated have been straight from the government or official NHS ones. It is rather obvious that one is not from the NHS and apart from that they don’t circulate other organisations’ advice without any acknowledgement of the source.


On a different note the number of confirmed cases in this region is now 9 (revised from 11 yesterday).

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Gooner
14 March 2020 21:52:46


 


If the rationale is to prevent overloading emergency services, given the impact, why do it before the services are at risk of being overloaded?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


For well over a week they have been talking about social distancing and yet here we are still allowing large gatherings ?


Why wait?

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


doctormog
14 March 2020 21:57:53


 


For well over a week they have been talking about social distancing and yet here we are still allowing large gatherings ?


Why wait?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


You said you understood the reasoning? It’s not because of “social distancing”.


Did you read my previous reply, it explains the timing?

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Brian Gaze
14 March 2020 21:58:48


 


I seriously doubt, given the infrastructure and bureaucracy of the NHS and the management teams would circulate that poster. The only posters we have circulated have been straight from the government or official NHS ones. It is rather obvious that one is not from the NHS and apart from that they don’t circulate other organisations’ advice without any acknowledgement of the source.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


You are right. I've been able to establish it is being circulated in Australian hospitals. The example came from a major hospital in Sydney. I should have realised because I'm not even sure whether the NHS has email. 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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SJV
14 March 2020 22:02:20


 


You are right. I've been able to establish it is being circulated in Australian hospitals. The example came from a major hospital in Sydney. I should have realised because I'm not even sure whether the NHS has email. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Good to know the source  Given that it is likely not fake though, are we actually suggesting the information is more credible than first thought? Could there be similar, not-yet-leaked, information circulating our own hospitals? 

doctormog
14 March 2020 22:02:29


 


You are right. I've been able to establish it is being circulated in Australian hospitals. The example came from a major hospital in Sydney. I should have realised because I'm not even sure whether the NHS has email. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 If you had said “fax” I would have been more convinced.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Arcus
14 March 2020 22:03:20


 


Which is obviously not possible and it'd throw some weight in favour of our more cautious approach. Take Greece for example, I doubt they'd be able to keep everything closed for more than 1-2 months at most. They might do it in waves though.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


All things aside, we simply don't know.


No-one on here knows how this is going to pan out in the long term. I've got concerns over what we're doing as a country, I'm not waving the banner unconditionally for HMGOV.


The only thing I can offer is that my wife works for one of the people being used for the modelling, and I understand what the rationale is. The big worry from my point of view is that politicians become influenced away from the science. 


Germany for example has also accepted the 70% infection scenario. They are introducing localised isolation next week, but they have not gone full lockdown just yet. They are ahead of us on infection, but not by much. I'm not sure that their policy is that much different from ours for now.

Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl

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