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Brian Gaze
15 March 2020 14:26:17

The local rag reports hand gel has been stolen from dispensers at my "local" hospital (in quotes as it's still half an hour away by ambulance!)

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/hand-sanitzer-stolen-from-hospital-223778/

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes. As I mentioned that is happening around here too. 


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Chunky Pea
15 March 2020 14:26:23


 


The interesting thing is the mortality rate has increased as the virus has spread across the low smoking developed world. It's the opposite of what many pundits were suggesting early on. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Data I used is available here:


https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases


Although I haven't calculated up the mortality rate of each country/continent. Will do this later if someone hasn't done so in the meantime. 


 


Meanwhile, 'Conservative' American pundits are increasingly of the mind that 'Communist China' is covering up actual data. These people are truly vile and the guy in the video, Jack Posobeic, is a known purveyor of 'fake news',


https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1238938806436253696


 


yet his audience continues to gobble up his BS. He actually 'blocked' me a couple of years ago for calling him out on his ill-informed nonsense. It was a proud moment 


 


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Heavy Weather 2013
15 March 2020 14:27:08


 


Why can’t you take your politics elsewhere, your posts are pathetic 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Why? He and everyone here is entitled to their opinion.


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JHutch
15 March 2020 14:28:18
Wales 94 cases, up 34.
Saint Snow
15 March 2020 14:28:41


 


Why can’t you take your politics elsewhere, your posts are pathetic 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


His points are valid, though. 


Besides, for those opposed to this malevolent government, we need to take any opportunity to turn public opinion against them.


The right-wing will whine about their opponents politicising this, but they would have no compunction to do the same if the boot were on the other foot.


 



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The Beast from the East
15 March 2020 14:29:33


 


Do you think they will bring back firing squads for looters Beast?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I hope so. They should have done so during the London riots of 2011. They could have solved the crime problem in Croydon in one night


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Heavy Weather 2013
15 March 2020 14:32:11
Railway companies now looking for a bailout

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51896169 

Mark
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Gooner
15 March 2020 14:32:16


 


I hope so. They should have done so during the London riots of 2011. They could have solved the crime problem in Croydon in one night


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



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The Beast from the East
15 March 2020 14:33:53


 


 


Why is political capital not being made of the shambolic performance by this government and Bozo's 'invisible man' thing (following his similarly couldn't-give-a-toss approach with the floods)


A Labour government performing this badly would be ripped apart. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Spotted Dick in the post above tells me not to mention politics, but this is all about politics and decisions. 


Lisa Nandy was excellent on Marr today. I have already voted for her


We need to bring this stupid leadership contest to a close ASAP


 


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doctormog
15 March 2020 14:34:54


 


Its interesting that people are using the end of March / start of April as a point of return , I'm struggling with this bit


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


If the public (as much in other countries as here) were told how long any general lockdown (not self isolation for those with symptoms) needs to last to be truly effective they may be less likely to comply. Tell them “just another couple of weeks” and they may be more likely to follow the instructions.


Gooner
15 March 2020 14:38:08


 


If the public (as much in other countries as here) were told how long any general lockdown (not self isolation for those with symptoms) needs to last to be truly effective they may be less likely to comply. Tell them “just another couple of weeks” and they may be more likely to follow the instructions.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


True but that wont last very long ,faith will be lost , you can't be saying " just two more weeks "


I'd rather know the full extent 


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The Beast from the East
15 March 2020 14:38:10


 


If the public (as much in other countries as here) were told how long any general lockdown (not self isolation for those with symptoms) needs to last to be truly effective they may be less likely to comply. Tell them “just another couple of weeks” and they may be more likely to follow the instructions.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Anyone with half a brain must know that things are not going to be back to normal in April


Premier league is not going to start on April 4 and probably will be written off. Liverpool should be handed the title but wont be allowed to celebrate it in public


 


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nsrobins
15 March 2020 14:38:17


 


If the public (as much in other countries as here) were told how long any general lockdown (not self isolation for those with symptoms) needs to last to be truly effective they may be less likely to comply. Tell them “just another couple of weeks” and they may be more likely to follow the instructions.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Is this the totally ‘open and transparent’ approach we are being told HMG are adopting though? 
It seems the populace isn’t ready for the truth just yet.


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speckledjim
15 March 2020 14:39:13


 


I quite enjoy them actually certainly brings a smirk 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


yes, I suppose it is amusing to see how bitter and twisted these corbynistas are 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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fairweather
15 March 2020 14:43:49


 


Is this the totally ‘open and transparent’ approach we are being told HMG are adopting though? 
It seems the populace isn’t ready for the truth just yet.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Well we know they don't handle the truth well. Just look at Brexit!


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doctormog
15 March 2020 14:45:31


 


Is this the totally ‘open and transparent’ approach we are being told HMG are adopting though? 
It seems the populace isn’t ready for the truth just yet.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I am not sure any of the official guidelines I have seen are suggesting those timescales. The message from Westminster (what there is of it), from Stormont and Holyrood all suggest 16 weeks or 4 months. It would be brave person to say it at this stage whether it is truthful and transparent or not. 


It is a uniform message between the politically diametrically opposed Scottish and U.K. governments which highlights the nature and motivation of some of the contributions here. Jeanne Freeman was just this morning giving more or less exactly the same line as the U.K. government.


Ulric
15 March 2020 14:48:06


 


Its interesting that people are using the end of March / start of April as a point of return , I'm struggling with this bit


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Me too. When I run my own projection, it seems the wave will peak in April and the infection rate by then will be astronomic. Expecting to re-open in late March seems counter intuitive.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Gooner
15 March 2020 14:50:51


 


Me too. When I run my own projection, it seems the wave will peak in April and the infection rate by then will be astronomic. Expecting to re-open in late March seems counter intuitive.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


I don't like the sound of that


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Caz
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15 March 2020 14:54:35


True but that wont last very long ,faith will be lost , you can't be saying " just two more weeks "


I'd rather know the full extent 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

It’s a pandemic, which by definition means it’s new to everybody, so nobody knows how long it will last and therefore nobody can put a timescale on anything.  I’m pretty sure the experts aren’t expecting it to be over soon, hence the sense in delaying lockdown measures because once we’re in lockdown, we’re in for the long haul.


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15 March 2020 14:55:11
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Caz
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15 March 2020 14:59:22


Me too. When I run my own projection, it seems the wave will peak in April and the infection rate by then will be astronomic. Expecting to re-open in late March seems counter intuitive.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

This is why I don’t think they’ll close schools before the Easter holidays, then the holidays buy them another two weeks to see how things go before a school closure decision has to be made.


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Lionel Hutz
15 March 2020 15:01:31
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we will see the start of an improvement in Europe at the start of April. The lockdown in Italy and other places will surely improve things as it did in China.
Rumours that we're going into full lockdown tomorrow.
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Gooner
15 March 2020 15:02:08


This is why I don’t think they’ll close schools before the Easter holidays, then the holidays buy them another two weeks to see how things go before a school closure decision has to be made.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


In the meantime lots of kids are already being taken out of school - makes no sense 


6 families in my street have taken their children out of school , informing the schools they will look again after the Easter holidays 


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speckledjim
15 March 2020 15:02:36


This is why I don’t think they’ll close schools before the Easter holidays, then the holidays buy them another two weeks to see how things go before a school closure decision has to be made.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


That sounds like the most sensible approach 


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Retron
15 March 2020 15:03:43


I don't like the sound of that


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


That's what logarithmic progression would suggest, i.e. if things carry on exactly as they are. (They're won't, almost certainly, as more measures get put into place to limit gatherings etc).


Let's use Spain as an example.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/


If you extrapolate that "number of cases" graph, viewed logarithmically, you get:


10K cases - 16th/17th March


100K cases - 23rd March


1M cases - 30th March


10M cases - 7th April


Or, in other words, going up by a factor of 10 each week.


In reality, that won't happen - but it is what a pure logarithmic curve looks like.


(It's also why they're trying to flatten said curve!)


EDIT: We're on roughly a 10-day "order of magnitude" increase. Again, if that continues indefinitely (and it won't!), that would mean:


10K cases - 24th March, 100K cases - 3rd April, 1M cases - 13th April, 10M cases - 23rd April.


I suspect we'll see strong action to isolate things before we hit 100K, if not 10-20K.


Again - please note these are just raw numbers, they're not a forecast of what will actually happen!


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