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Gooner
15 March 2020 17:39:15


 


I think day to day fluctuations are likely - unless you are implying we've already reached the peak?


Edit - quoted wrong post 


 


Originally Posted by: John p 


Crikey 'if' we've reached our peak SACK all the advisors - Yes I know the peak is a while away 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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speckledjim
15 March 2020 17:39:36


 


New working week , see what that does 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


i wish they’d test similar numbers as once they ramp up again next week there’s bound to be a big increase which will no doubt cause much excitement in here


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Heavy Weather 2013
15 March 2020 17:39:40


 


Yes, I know. Just trying to maintain some balance


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Hancock, will use this figure tomorrow to say we are winning the battle.


Mark
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xioni2
15 March 2020 17:50:05


Excellent piece by an epidemiologist from Harvard which slaughters the approach being taken by the UK government.


The UK should not be trying to create herd immunity, that will take care of itself. Policy should be directed at slowing the outbreak to a (more) manageable rate. What this looks like is strong social distancing. Anyone who can work from home, should. People who do not yet work from home should be encouraged to do so. Employers should guarantee sick pay, including for contacts of known cases, and do everything they can to discourage the practice of “presenteeism”. You should not shake hands. Not with anyone. You should wash your hands for 20 seconds several times a day and whenever you enter your home (or someone else’s home). Call a halt to large gatherings. Educate people about masks and how they should be reserved for the medical professionals who need them. All this and more should have started weeks ago.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 
This paragraph above seems very relevant IMO. HMG's reluctance to officially encourage working from home and also it allowing Cheltenham last week and the air travel of ~3,500 Spanish fans from a developing hotspot might go down in history as symbolic of the UK's mishandling of this and as how a government should not handle an epidemic.
Retron
15 March 2020 17:52:47

I've now seen a copy of the letter our school sent home on Friday to parents (on the unofficial Facebook page - no, I don't have a FB account, but you can see it without logging in). Remember, all schools were told to send one of these home.

It's pretty generic, really, going on about how they've given out Google logins so that work is available "over the coming weeks" should people need to self-isolate.

The more interesting line is towards the end, when it says that if you have problems let them know as soon as possible, so it can be sorted "in the coming week". That again backs up what they've been thinking about being told to close this Friday...


(And the person who gets to sort it is... me! Of course, were I at home self-isloating that'd be slower to do...)


Leysdown, north Kent
Gooner
15 March 2020 17:52:49


 


Hancock, will use this figure tomorrow to say we are winning the battle.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


What's changed to win the battle ? He'd be STUPID to quote figures 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Northern Sky
15 March 2020 17:52:55


Current mortality rate in Italy is 7.3%


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


But as Jim says that doesn't include the tens of thousands of people who have the virus but don't require treatment (or testing).

Gooner
15 March 2020 17:54:28


I've now seen a copy of the letter our school sent home on Friday to parents (on the unofficial Facebook page - no, I don't have a FB account, but you can see it without logging in). Remember, all schools were told to send one of these home.

It's pretty generic, really, going on about how they've given out Google logins so that work is available "over the coming weeks" should people need to self-isolate.

The more interesting line is towards the end, when it says that if you have problems let them know as soon as possible, so it can be sorted "in the coming week". That again backs up what they've been thinking about being told to close this Friday...


(And the person who gets to sort it is... me! Of course, were I at home self-isloating that'd be slower to do...)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


No letter to this household 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Darren S
15 March 2020 17:55:38


 


If that's true, the death rate in Italy is stupendous!


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


I'm assuming both Italy's increasing death rate and decreasing rate of cases are simply down to not being able to test enough people. Probably the number of cases is 10 times higher or more.


Darren
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Justin W
15 March 2020 17:55:42


 


But as Jim says that doesn't include the tens of thousands of people who have the virus but don't require treatment (or testing).


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Nobody said otherwise. But the mortality rate is rising, not falling.


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SJV
15 March 2020 17:57:01


Current mortality rate in Italy is 7.3%


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Not sure what others think about that figure but even accounting for Italy's aged population that is alamringly high 

xioni2
15 March 2020 17:58:26


 Nobody said otherwise. But the mortality rate is rising, not falling.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


That's normal Justin, it happened in Wuhan too. It should start falling by the end of March.

Retron
15 March 2020 17:58:46


No letter to this household 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Naughty school, in that case. Schools were told by Government on Thursday they HAD to send these out on Friday.


Of course, that involves a hell of a lot of work (I'd estimate a total of 34 man-hours of IT work alone on Friday, not counting the time spent teaching teachers and giving the kids their logins) and I'm not suprised that not all schools managed it.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Justin W
15 March 2020 18:00:05


 


That's normal Justin, it happened in Wuhan too. It should start falling by the end of March.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I didn’t say it wasn’t. It’s important that all of this is clear.


The mortality rate is also higher than in Wuhan at any point in the Chinese outbreak.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Northern Sky
15 March 2020 18:00:15


 


Nobody said otherwise. But the mortality rate is rising, not falling.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I would imagine that is because they are only testing the more serious cases now?

Heavy Weather 2013
15 March 2020 18:00:35
Is there a Cobra meeting tomorrow
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
doctormog
15 March 2020 18:01:55


 


Naughty school, in that case. Schools were told by Government on Thursday they HAD to send these out on Friday.


Of course, that involves a hell of a lot of work (I'd estimate a total of 34 man-hours of IT work alone on Friday, not counting the time spent teaching teachers and giving the kids their logins) and I'm not suprised that not all schools managed it.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


It is not the policy here in Scotland yet although, as I mentioned before, the use of G Suite is well established in schools (in this authority at least).


xioni2
15 March 2020 18:02:43


The mortality rate is also higher than in Wuhan at any point in the Chinese outbreak.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


No, I think Wuhan even went to double digits at some point. It's difficult to estimate anyway and it only be done properly when the epidemic is over.

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15 March 2020 18:03:33


i wish they’d test similar numbers as once they ramp up again next week there’s bound to be a big increase which will no doubt cause much excitement in here


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

But surely, if they’re only testing those who are in hospital, a lower number of tests means lower admissions. 


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bowser
15 March 2020 18:03:44


 
This paragraph above seems very relevant IMO. HMG's reluctance to officially encourage working from home and also it allowing Cheltenham last week and the air travel of ~3,500 Spanish fans from a developing hotspot might go down in history as symbolic of the UK's mishandling of this and as how a government should not handle an epidemic.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


i have to agree with this statement. Some good upfront work has been done, but the last 4-5 days has been muddled.

Gooner
15 March 2020 18:05:33


 


Naughty school, in that case. Schools were told by Government on Thursday they HAD to send these out on Friday.


Of course, that involves a hell of a lot of work (I'd estimate a total of 34 man-hours of IT work alone on Friday, not counting the time spent teaching teachers and giving the kids their logins) and I'm not suprised that not all schools managed it.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Couple of my friends didn't receive any such letter ether …………….interesting !


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Marcus
Banbury
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xioni2
15 March 2020 18:08:04

This epidemiological study estimates the Wuhan rate on 11 Feb at 11.3%-13.1% at the 95% confidence level. I guess though the Lombardy rate might also be revised higher.


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0233_article



"Since December 2019, when the first case of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) was identified in the city of Wuhan in the Hubei Province of China, the epidemic has generated tens of thousands of cases throughout China. As of February 28, 2020, the cumulative number of reported deaths in China was 2,858. We estimated the time-delay adjusted risk for death from COVID-19 in Wuhan, as well as for China excluding Wuhan, to assess the severity of the epidemic in the country. Our estimates of the risk for death in Wuhan reached values as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and ≈1% in other, more mildly affected areas. The elevated death risk estimates are probably associated with a breakdown of the healthcare system, indicating that enhanced public health interventions, including social distancing and movement restrictions, should be implemented to bring the COVID-19 epidemic under control."

Justin W
15 March 2020 18:09:30


This epidemiological study estimates the Wuhan rate on 11 Feb at 11.3%-13.1% at the 95% confidence level. I guess though the Lombardy rate might also be revised higher.


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0233_article


"Since December 2019, when the first case of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) was identified in the city of Wuhan in the Hubei Province of China, the epidemic has generated tens of thousands of cases throughout China. As of February 28, 2020, the cumulative number of reported deaths in China was 2,858. We estimated the time-delay adjusted risk for death from COVID-19 in Wuhan, as well as for China excluding Wuhan, to assess the severity of the epidemic in the country. Our estimates of the risk for death in Wuhan reached values as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and ≈1% in other, more mildly affected areas. The elevated death risk estimates are probably associated with a breakdown of the healthcare system, indicating that enhanced public health interventions, including social distancing and movement restrictions, should be implemented to bring the COVID-19 epidemic under control."


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The official figures for that period was 5.8%


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#nhc


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xioni2
15 March 2020 18:13:00


 The official figures for that period was 5.8%


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#nhc


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


This says 'as of 20 Feb', so it's either the figure on that date or the average for the period up to 20 Feb? 

xioni2
15 March 2020 18:18:16


 This says 'as of 20 Feb', so it's either the figure on that date or the average for the period up to 20 Feb? 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The Italian rate averaged over the period 24 Feb (first deaths) - 15 March is 4.65%.


 

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