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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 10:18:35


Chickens are coming home to roost. The Conservatives have sown the wind with the NHS; the general population is about to reap the whirlwind.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


Exactly. And this should be being shouted from the rooftops by those opposed to Tory policy. But it isn't. Bozo and his malevolent minions and given free ride and Labour are guilty of dereliction of duty.



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xioni2
16 March 2020 10:20:01


Chickens are coming home to roost. The Conservatives have sown the wind with the NHS; the general population is about to reap the whirlwind.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


At least it will be democratic! Will of the people and all that.

Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 10:22:06

Extract from the FT:

A population ready to comply with strict controls has also been key for Japan in containing coronavirus. The government’s handling of the failed quarantine on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its policy of testing relatively few people have come under heavy criticism. But experts say social and cultural norms that impose self-discipline and obedience to official guidance are one of the reasons Japan has so far managed to limit the number of infections.


“There is a social norm that you should not cause trouble to other people,” says Kazuto Suzuki, an expert on international politics at Hokkaido University. “If you don’t take care of yourself and become ill, that is taken as causing problems for other people.” The coronavirus outbreak has resulted in the rigorous use of hand sanitisers and washing of hands, while not wearing a mask on the train would attract immediate disapproval.


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The key to success is in protecting vulnerable groups, the elderly, NHS staff, emergency responders and carers.


The rest of us can go about our normal business, provided we take all responsible measures, both in terms of personal hygiene and also in terms of self isolating if any symptoms become apparent.


New world order coming.
xioni2
16 March 2020 10:22:41


or maybe Labour are aware of the info that the Government has and agree with what is being done?


Originally Posted by: westv 


They should say it if that's the case (I doubt it is).


 

xioni2
16 March 2020 10:28:23

I also don't believe that a 'new world' will emerge after this. Most things will return to 'normal'.

Justin W
16 March 2020 10:34:39


I also don't believe that a 'new world' will emerge after this. Most things will return to 'normal'.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Exactly. There will be a temporary period where the Govt will take charge of the economy, possibly putting money directly into people's bank accounts. There will be a debt moratorium but not cancellation. Once things stabilise, the financial corporations will start demanding the resumption of repayments. Interest will be deferred but not cancelled


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Lionel Hutz
16 March 2020 10:40:15


I also don't believe that a 'new world' will emerge after this. Most things will return to 'normal'.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I agree. If the disease numbers can be controlled quickly, things will be back to normal sooner than many think. I am hopeful that we will begin to see some improvement in Italy by the weekend.


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Lionel Hutz
16 March 2020 10:43:06


 


I’m not an expert on respirators but have a modicum of experience in the design and manufacture chain. As I previously explained it will take months to set up a new production process. Better requisitioning then current supply sites and increasing output.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/medics-raise-concerns-about-staffing-levels-as-hse-stocks-up-on-ventilators-1.4201544


Apparently half of all medical ventilators used in acute hospitals world wide are made in Ireland. Hopefully, we'll manage to keep a few for use in Ireland


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16 March 2020 10:48:15


Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted things such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


Originally Posted by: NMA 

 Good morning to you too!  We need more of your posts to bring us down to earth and keep spirits up!  


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Gooner
16 March 2020 10:48:39


If the last three days of figures are to be believed Denmark looking like the first European country to get a semblance of control


Originally Posted by: Chidog 


They have hardly done any testing that's why the figures look that way .


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speckledjim
16 March 2020 10:49:50


Extract from the FT:

A population ready to comply with strict controls has also been key for Japan in containing coronavirus. The government’s handling of the failed quarantine on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its policy of testing relatively few people have come under heavy criticism. But experts say social and cultural norms that impose self-discipline and obedience to official guidance are one of the reasons Japan has so far managed to limit the number of infections.


“There is a social norm that you should not cause trouble to other people,” says Kazuto Suzuki, an expert on international politics at Hokkaido University. “If you don’t take care of yourself and become ill, that is taken as causing problems for other people.” The coronavirus outbreak has resulted in the rigorous use of hand sanitisers and washing of hands, while not wearing a mask on the train would attract immediate disapproval.


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The key to success is in protecting vulnerable groups, the elderly, NHS staff, emergency responders and carers.


The rest of us can go about our normal business, provided we take all responsible measures, both in terms of personal hygiene and also in terms of self isolating if any symptoms become apparent.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I am increasingly coming to the view that the elderly and other vulnerable groups need to self isolate immediately, and hopefully they can rely on family/friends/neighbours/local services to help them out throughout this


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Essan
16 March 2020 10:51:20

Interesting report from the US CDC on school closures ....

Available modeling data indicate that early, short to medium closures do not impact the epi curve of COVID-19 or available health care measures (e.g., hospitalizations). There may be some impact of much longer closures (8 weeks, 20 weeks) further into community spread, but that modelling also shows that other mitigation efforts (e.g., handwashing, home isolation) have more impact on both spread of disease and health care measures. In other countries, those places who closed school (e.g., Hong Kong) have not had more success in reducing spread than those that did not (e.g., Singapore).



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-school-closure.pdf


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speckledjim
16 March 2020 10:53:33
From my local:-

IT'S WITH A HEAVY HEART WE HAVE DECIDED
ANYONE THAT HAS BEEN ON HOLIDAY MUST NOT
FREQUENT THE PUB FOR A MINIMUM OF 7 DAYS ...

Thoughts?
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NickR
16 March 2020 10:55:56


Interesting report from the US CDC on school closures ....



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-school-closure.pdf


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Part of my issue, however, is that this does not take into account individual circumstances and is - in a broad form - ableist: those who children are in at risk groups or who themselves are in at risk groups are faced with a choice of putting them and their children in serious jeopardy or falling hugely behind in schooling.


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xioni2
16 March 2020 10:57:25

From my local:-

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


In a month's time:


IT'S WITH A HEAVY HEART WE HAVE DECIDED
ANYONE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ON HOLIDAY MUST NOT
FREQUENT THE PUB FOR A MINIMUM OF 7 DAYS ...

speckledjim
16 March 2020 10:57:51


 


In a month's time:


IT'S WITH A HEAVY HEART WE HAVE DECIDED
ANYONE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ON HOLIDAY MUST NOT
FREQUENT THE PUB FOR A MINIMUM OF 7 DAYS ...


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



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Essan
16 March 2020 10:59:27

From my local:-

IT'S WITH A HEAVY HEART WE HAVE DECIDED
ANYONE THAT HAS BEEN ON HOLIDAY MUST NOT
FREQUENT THE PUB FOR A MINIMUM OF 7 DAYS ...

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 




Can you visit the pub if you're currently on holiday? 


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 10:59:56

From my local:-

IT'S WITH A HEAVY HEART WE HAVE DECIDED
ANYONE THAT HAS BEEN ON HOLIDAY MUST NOT
FREQUENT THE PUB FOR A MINIMUM OF 7 DAYS ...

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Ignorant. False sense of security to those who have not travelled. Most transmission in the UK will now be domestic 


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speckledjim
16 March 2020 11:01:54


 


Ignorant. False sense of security to those who have not travelled. Most transmission in the UK will now be domestic 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Exactly my thoughts


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Caz
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16 March 2020 11:03:06

An MP this morning tested positive for COVID-19 after a period of isolation.

Genuine Question

Why does a MP get a test automatically yet anyone displaying symptoms who is not hospitalised doesn’t?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

I’ll take it that was rhetorical, as you know why!  You only have to look at how many high profile people have been tested positive over the past couple of weeks!  


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 11:04:38


 


Exactly my thoughts


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


Is the surname of your landlord Whitty or Vallance by any chance?


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NMA
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16 March 2020 11:08:23

Sorry Michael to disappoint you. I’m not God.


That said I did once visit the place in Turkey where my namesake was bishop.


Talking of that just back from a walk on the coast and the Ridgeway. What a morning with blue skies and almost springlike. HMS Dasher was there plus a fair number of other RN vessels (v small) including an aircraft carrier (huge). AIS doesn't give the name of this ship (just British Warship) although it used to be more specific a few months ago. Could be one of two. How times have changed. Anyway I assume a large chunk of what’s left of the RN is back in UK waters again.


The skies were clear with only one light aircraft and none of the transatlantic traffic you usually see which is bad if you want to continue being able to buy blueberries, mangoes and papayas. Good if you believe we should only eat seasonal produce and home-grown. I wonder how long it will take for these exotics to vanish from the supermarkets?


I still think we are entering dark times.


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Justin W
16 March 2020 11:09:40


Sorry Michael to disappoint you. I’m not God.


That said I did once visit the place in Turkey where my namesake was bishop.


Talking of that just back from a walk on the coast and the Ridgeway. What a morning with blue skies and almost springlike. HMS Dasher was there plus a fair number of other RN vessels (v small) including an aircraft carrier (huge). AIS doesn't give the name of this ship (just British Warship) although it used to be more specific a few months ago. Could be one of two. How times have changed. Anyway I assume a large chunk of what’s left of the RN is back in UK waters again.


The skies were clear with only one light aircraft and none of the transatlantic traffic you usually see which is bad if you want to continue being able to buy blueberries, mangoes and papayas. Good if you believe we should only eat seasonal produce and home-grown. I wonder how long it will take for these exotics to vanish from the supermarkets?


I still think we are entering dark times.


Nick


Originally Posted by: NMA 


 


I suspect she  will have been HMS Queen Elizabeth as the Prince of Wales has been in the north west of late.


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NMA
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16 March 2020 11:13:30

Thank you Justin. Looked majestic in the Channel with the Isle of Portland to the west.


TS Royalist is there too. Coincidence?


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Justin W
16 March 2020 11:15:08


Thank you Justin. Looked majestic in the Channel with the Isle of Portland to the west.


TS Royalist is there too. Coincidence?


Originally Posted by: NMA 


Perhaps they have decided to isolate all sea cadets in the Channel on Royalist and the warships are there to enforce the quarantine!


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