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Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 09:42:07


The UK has half the number of ventilators and ICU beds as Italy despite having a bigger economy. Our hospitals will be overwhelmed faster and for longer. A disaster is in the making.


This is the reality of 10 years of Conservative government. No wonder Johnson wants to pretend the virus is not real.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


The NHS runs a tight ship - in normal times, why would the NHS have more ventilators and ICU beds than it usually requires? However, that said, the Government should have forced the ramping up of production of ventilators two months ago, once the nature of the epidemic in China became apparent.


P.S. Italy is a worst case scenario - what happened there does not have to happen here if all people follow basic rules and the vulnerable self isolate.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 09:42:55


 


 


The obvious flaw being that we have an absolutely bobbins climate and - especially in the north-western fringes - you can't guarantee a week of mainly warm/hot, dry and sunny weather.


I enjoy a mini break in the UK, and have struck lucky with the weather on the odd occasion, but it's rarely the sort of weather condusive to sitting round a pool relaxing and drinking cold beer, or spending half a day on the beach sizzling in the sun.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Nail on the head.


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Ally Pally Snowman
16 March 2020 09:43:00


The UK has half the number of ventilators and ICU beds as Italy despite having a bigger economy. Our hospitals will be overwhelmed faster and for longer. A disaster is in the making.


This is the reality of 10 years of Conservative government. No wonder Johnson wants to pretend the virus is not real.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


It's almost unimaginable what could happen in this country over the next few months. And the Tories in my view will be partly to blame for all the cuts. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
16 March 2020 09:44:26

Malaysia seems to be having a major outbreak at the moment huge increase in numbers recently. 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 09:44:32


 


The NHS runs a tight ship - in normal times, why would the NHS have more ventilators and ICU beds than it usually requires? However, that said, the Government should have forced the ramping up of production of ventilators two months ago, once the nature of the epidemic in China became apparent.


P.S. Italy is a worst case scenario - what happened there does not have to happen here if all people follow basic rules and the vulnerable self isolate.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Why does it need fewer than other similar countries? 


"The overall health of British people is similar to the OECD average, considering life expectancy and other general measures of health status. This is also the case for the major risk factors of smoking and alcohol consumption, but obesity rates are considerably worse than the OECD average. " - OECD


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Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 09:46:25


 


Why does it need fewer than other similar countries? 


"The overall health of British people is similar to the OECD average, considering life expectancy and other general measures of health status. This is also the case for the major risk factors of smoking and alcohol consumption, but obesity rates are considerably worse than the OECD average. " - OECD


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


On the topic of ventilators - they are only required for respiratory infections such as pneumonia - so there is usually a limited requirement.


On the topic of ICU beds in general - I don't know the statistics for the NHS - you need a report by a clinical statistician.


New world order coming.
Justin W
16 March 2020 09:48:14


 


The NHS runs a tight ship - in normal times, why would the NHS have more ventilators and ICU beds than it usually requires? However, that said, the Government should have forced the ramping up of production of ventilators two months ago, once the nature of the epidemic in China became apparent.


P.S. Italy is a worst case scenario - what happened there does not have to happen here if all people follow basic rules and the vulnerable self isolate.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


You don't do yourself any favours sometimes, Richard! There is no getting around the fact that the NHS doesn't have enough respirators for inpatients suffering acute respiratory disorders in normal times!


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Justin W
16 March 2020 09:49:45

Chickens are coming home to roost. The Conservatives have sown the wind with the NHS; the general population is about to reap the whirlwind.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Chidog
16 March 2020 09:50:27

If the last three days of figures are to be believed Denmark looking like the first European country to get a semblance of control

Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 09:52:32


If the last three days of figures are to be believed Denmark looking like the first European country to get a semblance of control


Originally Posted by: Chidog 


I have been in communication with my Danish friends and they tell me two things:



  1. They have stopped testing, so the figures are not to be believed.

  2. The cases they did report were mostly returning ski tourists, so their vulnerable groups have not been impacted so far.


 


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 09:54:47


 


You don't do yourself any favours sometimes, Richard! There is no getting around the fact that the NHS doesn't have enough respirators for inpatients suffering acute respiratory disorders in normal times!


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Well that is something I really could not comment on - but these are not normal times, so even if we had enough for normal times, it would be far from having enough now.


Question - how long does a respirator last for? How many consecutive patients can a respirator support before it is binned? Presumably, they have single use parts which have to be replaced after each use.


Anybody an expert on respirators here?


New world order coming.
nsrobins
16 March 2020 09:55:18
What time is the COBRA meeting today and I assume the first of the subsequent National updates?
Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 09:56:34

What time is the COBRA meeting today and I assume the first of the subsequent National updates?

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


No apparent rush to get to business today. They are meeting this afternoon.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
xioni2
16 March 2020 09:57:29

My colleagues at the office say rush hour trains are still full, but with less queueing and sardine packing.


 



Is this a joke or are you being serious? 



Originally Posted by: Justin W 

nsrobins
16 March 2020 09:58:03


 


Well that is something I really could not comment on - but these are not normal times, so even if we had enough for normal times, it would be far from having enough now.


Question - how long does a respirator last for? How many consecutive patients can a respirator support before it is binned? Presumably, they have single use parts which have to be replaced after each use.


Anybody an expert on respirators here?


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I’m not an expert on respirators but have a modicum of experience in the design and manufacture chain. As I previously explained it will take months to set up a new production process. Better requisitioning then current supply sites and increasing output.


Neil
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xioni2
16 March 2020 09:58:46

Yes, these questions highlight the very risky approach taken by HMG and Labour is also failing to challenge them.


 



Why is no one holding the government to account and asking fundamental questions:


1) Why were tests down 2400 yesterday?


2) Why has comprehensive contact tracing been abandoned? (it has regardless of what they may say - it's a consequence of 1)


3) Why is "our" NHS taking 7 days to process some of the tests?


4) Why are people being told they can't test unless they meet rigorous criteria?


5) With the above how will it be possible for the UK to monitor the spread of the virus? Are we now entirely dependent on hospital admissions and deaths? Lagging indicators. 


6) How many new ventilators have been bought a) this year b) in the last 2 weeks


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 10:01:08


Yes, these questions highlight the very risky approach taken by HMG and Labour is also failing to challenge them.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I'd put more faith in the newt in my garden pond holding the government to account than Richard Burgon. 


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westv
16 March 2020 10:03:11


Yes, these questions highlight the very risky approach taken by HMG and Labour is also failing to challenge them.


 


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


or maybe Labour are aware of the info that the Government has and agree with what is being done?


At least it will be mild!
Saint Snow
16 March 2020 10:03:21


Good  Morning.


This week in the UK marks the start of what future historians might look back at with interest but with their hindsight will understand far better than we ever can. Just as with the Spanish Flu in the early 20th century we now have a better grasp of what occurred even if until recently few people bothered to recall it. But lessons were learned and it is those that we are going to have to use at these difficult times.


Some of us in the next few weeks, months and years will discover wonderful people we never gave time to before. Others we thought we could trust will turn out to be villains and crooks. The freedoms we enjoyed last week may well be swept away by those who think they know better than us but eventually we will emerge from the dark days in better shape than we probably think right now.


When this period is over, the world will be a very different place to what we have known and it won’t all be bad. The value of money will be one, what seemed unremarkable and taken for granted things such as cheap overseas holidays another. Many jobs and lifestyles will change and most of us will have to rely on friends either for board and lodging or other kinds of help we haven't even considered until now. Humanity has been through many of these kinds of events before and will do so again so please talk to your neighbours and make every effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves.


Originally Posted by: NMA 


 


 


I admire your optimism, but I foresee nothing but misery as the fallout from this. The economic consequences are going to take years to rinse through, and there will be wholesale hardship for millions..


I - and the vast majority, I'd suspect - don't want to be forced to stop taking 'cheap overseas holidays'. I don't want people to face massive upheaval and be put into a position of having to rely on others. I don't want the additional burden of having others rely on me.


I'm also 100% sure that there will be no utopian 'repositioning' of economic fortunes. Avaricious millionaires won't suddenly develop a sense of philanthropic benevolence and stop seeking loopholes to cheat their way out of paying 40% tax on all their income (above the higher rate threshold). The tax havens of the British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies won't suddenly draw back the curtains on the secretive world of wealth- and asset-hiding and tax dodging. Banksters won't suddenly cut borrowers some slack and write-off interest and forced missed payments, let alone forgive debt wholesale (despite the taxpayer previously stopping their whole stinking, greedy & corrupt system from collapsing).


And no government will dare upset the corporate-capitalism applecart. Or should that be gravy train? 


So yes, on a local and individual level, there will be countless heroes who help other people and try to keep society functioning - and we'll all be encouraged to celebrate these people by 'the powers that be' to give a veneer of cheer in order to distract us from looking at the obvious villains and crooks who'll be safely ensconced in their ivory towers.



Martin
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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
16 March 2020 10:06:36


No apparent rush to get to business today. They are meeting this afternoon.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


Well it's going to take a long while, punctuated with several breaks for naps and elevenses and a bit of rumpy-pumpy, for Bozo to digest the latest information as it can't be condensed onto one side of A4.


 



Martin
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A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
westv
16 March 2020 10:08:05

Not sure I'd class as next overseas holiday (if it went ahead) as "cheap". £1,500 for a week B&B for 2.


At least it will be mild!
Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 10:11:27


 


 


Well it's going to take a long while, punctuated with several breaks for naps and elevenses and a bit of rumpy-pumpy, for Bozo to digest the latest information as it can't be condensed onto one side of A4.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


😂 All weekend he has had fine to get relevant briefings from ministers. Cobra should have been first thing on the days agenda.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 10:12:44

Portugal will close its border with Spain for at least a month, Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Costa has said.


New world order coming.
Gooner
16 March 2020 10:14:04


Chickens are coming home to roost. The Conservatives have sown the wind with the NHS; the general population is about to reap the whirlwind.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


And that's exactly what I said to my Mother yesterday 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Saint Snow
16 March 2020 10:16:04


Not sure I'd class as next overseas holiday (if it went ahead) as "cheap". £1,500 for a week B&B for 2.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


Well yes, I agree. I was using the cliche used in the original post. Air travel has become expensive (although that may be a consequence of having to take holidays during school holidays - or 'subsidise the travellers who don't have kids time')


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan

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