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Polar Low
16 March 2020 12:03:59

 Yes as pupil class sizes increase with staff sickness, safeguarding and hse will become a increasing issue especially those in a sen environment.


it will become baby sitting rather than a healthy and safe learning environment.




 


I'm due to lead a Forest Schools trip on Thursday but had an e-mail from our head this morning that lots of our children are being kept off by parents so it might be cancelled. I can only see that increasing as numbers rise and the anxiety increases. Having said that it's a SEN school and a higher proportion of our children have underlying health issues than mainstream schools. 


In terms of keeping schools open in general, I can see the logic in keeping them open as long as possible but it will only work while there is enough staff to run them. Schools are places where the spread of illness is notoriously effective and many schools will have staff who are older or have health problems. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

John p
16 March 2020 12:05:57

I’ve been following this chap for a while now and his videos are very informative.


He’s just posted some information in a video that I thought may have been ‘fake news’ when I first heard about it, but coming from him I take more notice.


The theory is that taking anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen may increase your risk of complications.


 


https://youtu.be/EuWo5lmWuZI


 


He also reckons you should not take medication to reduce your fever unless you cannot cope with the discomfort.


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Gavin D
16 March 2020 12:07:58
Breaking: BBC to delay TV licence fee changes for the over-75s until August
xioni2
16 March 2020 12:08:22


I’ve been following this chap for a while now and his videos are very informative.


He’s just posted some information in a video that I thought may have been ‘fake news’ when I first heard about it, but coming from him I take more notice.


The theory is that taking anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen may increase your risk of complications.


 https://youtu.be/EuWo5lmWuZI


 He also reckons you should not take medication to reduce your fever unless you cannot cope with the discomfort.


Originally Posted by: John p 


I am no expert, but I think he is probably right.


 

NickR
16 March 2020 12:10:50


 


 As I've been saying that is happening widely around here. Pleased you have evidence to back it up in your locality in case anyone thinks I am exaggerating or not doing my bit to "keep up morale". I'm simply reporting on what is happening locally and making no comment on whether it right or wrong. Fortunately I'm past the stage in life where I have to make decisions about whether to send to school or not.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


My daughter's school had a number of kids taken out on Friday (and today too, I imagine) as they have pre-existing conditions, or are in situations such as mine. 16 students were sent home in a 2 hour period as a result of high temp/sore throat/feeling unwell generally.


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Gavin D
16 March 2020 12:12:28
Iran have reported 1,053 new cases and 129 new deaths

Total now 14,991 and 853 deaths
NickR
16 March 2020 12:13:40


I’ve been following this chap for a while now and his videos are very informative.


He’s just posted some information in a video that I thought may have been ‘fake news’ when I first heard about it, but coming from him I take more notice.


The theory is that taking anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen may increase your risk of complications.


 


https://youtu.be/EuWo5lmWuZI


 


He also reckons you should not take medication to reduce your fever unless you cannot cope with the discomfort.


Originally Posted by: John p 


I really want to know this. French govt are promoting it, but I've also heard people say it is not true/no firm evidence. Would be good to know.


 


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 12:16:49
I was just at the hospital (not related to the infection)

I heard the nurses talking and it seems that they were quiet short on staff themselves due to staff having to self isolate.

That and ventilators are a cause of massive concern. Cuts to the NHS over the last 10 years could well and truly come back to haunt this government
Mark
Beckton, E London
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Gavin D
16 March 2020 12:17:29
Iran have reported 1,053 new cases and 129 new deaths

Total now 14,991 and 853 deaths
Justin W
16 March 2020 12:18:29

This has its upsides. There is silence where I live (North Downs near Canterbury). Not a single plane in the sky where usually there are two or three every couple of minutes. No road noise from the top lane. Just bird song. Incredible.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Justin W
16 March 2020 12:19:48


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 12:20:31
The PMs spokemans is giving an update. Schools will remain open for now. There is nothing new being said.

Apparently we are testing more people that nearly every other country.
Mark
Beckton, E London
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xioni2
16 March 2020 12:24:02

I loved the following comment in the guardian, oh the stupidity!


"Germany, France, Spain and Italy have all been hit much harder than the UK, despite the fact that the UK has by far a greater connection with China than any of these nations. I'd say we have systems in place, and a culture that makes the virus harder to propagate through our population.


It should be remembered that it isn't our country that has opened Pandora's box, and we shouldn't look east for the solution. The Confucian mind feels justified in recording aspiration as truth, and Amy dissent from that punished as dissonant, and lacking in harmony."

Essan
16 March 2020 12:28:12


 


I really want to know this. French govt are promoting it, but I've also heard people say it is not true/no firm evidence. Would be good to know.


 


Originally Posted by: NickR 



It's been reported in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection


Might at least be advisable to stick to paracetamol if you can (and if you have any!)


Andy
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Gavin D
16 March 2020 12:29:02
30 new cases in Wales

Confirmed cases now 124.
xioni2
16 March 2020 12:29:30

The British Society for immunology questions the UK's herd immunity stance. It also calls for more social distancing measures now and for HMG to release its modelling.


https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-open-letter-government-sars-cov-2-outbreak-response

Gavin D
16 March 2020 12:33:05
British soldier infected

A British soldier has been infected with coronavirus and is in hospital in Ostroda, northern Poland, Polish state-run news agency PAP said on Monday, quoting a military spokesman.

Poland has so far reported 150 cases of coronavirus and three deaths.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-to-make-announcement-on-covid-19-measures-today-says-pms-adviser-dominic-cummings-11958164 
Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 12:33:54


 


I really want to know this. French govt are promoting it, but I've also heard people say it is not true/no firm evidence. Would be good to know.


 


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Not sure whether you have seen this relatively recent paper?


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/


Is fever good or bad? Scientifically, we just do not know. However, if we take the evolutionary perspective, then blunting of the adaptive febrile response must be maladaptive. Fever is estimated to be more than 4 million years old and has been documented in the phyla Vertebrata, Arthropoda, and Annelida (7). Despite its long history of study, the exact mechanism of fever and its potentially protective effect is not fully delineated. One could hypothesize that treatment of fever compromises immune competence and renders patients more susceptible to infection. Take, for example, the classic experiment by Kluger et al. in 1981 (21,22). Here, Kluger et al. infected cold-blooded iguanas with bacteria. He gave them the opportunity to seek heat via sunlamps and all but one sought the warmth to raise their temperature. The one who did not was the only one who died. Next, he injected the iguanas with bacteria and gave them antipyretics. The iguanas that were able to mount a fever despite the antipyretic were the only ones that survived. This simplistic experiment, in addition to the biologic plausibility for the beneficial effects of fever, now supported by several key randomized controlled trials, suggests maybe the pendulum is due to swing back to a more permissive approach to fever.


While clinicians will likely continue to argue the validity of the proposed adaptive or maladaptive mechanisms of fever, recent studies such as the one by Young et al. should support reconsideration of the Pavlovian treatment response to elevated temperature in the critical care setting.


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Gavin D
16 March 2020 12:34:31
NHS staff to be tested

"Mr Johnson has responded to questions about the testing of vital NHS staff, his spokesman saying Number 10 will set out their plans to test them "shortly".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-to-make-announcement-on-covid-19-measures-today-says-pms-adviser-dominic-cummings-11958164 
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16 March 2020 12:34:52


The British Society for immunology questions the UK's herd immunity stance. It also calls for more social distancing measures now and for HMG to release its modelling.


https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-open-letter-government-sars-cov-2-outbreak-response


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

I think they’ve reiterated that herd immunity is not a policy of HMG’s plan but a scientific observation. 


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xioni2
16 March 2020 12:38:39


I think they’ve reiterated that herd immunity is not a policy of HMG’s plan but a scientific observation. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I don't believe them. They were clear on Thursday and Friday that this is our plan. It's all muddy.


 

Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 12:39:34
Virgin Atlantic are asking staff to take unpaid leave for 8 weeks, they plan to ground 80% of their fleet.

Obviously the directors can only afford a 15% paycut
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Justin W
16 March 2020 12:40:38


I think they’ve reiterated that herd immunity is not a policy of HMG’s plan but a scientific observation. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 



Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Heavy Weather 2013
16 March 2020 12:41:28


 


I don't believe them. They were clear on Thursday and Friday that this is our plan. It's all muddy.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Agreed. The are changing the narrative as opposition to it escalated. 


There is a lot of smoke and mirrors from government right now.


Mark
Beckton, E London
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Polar Low
16 March 2020 12:41:48

Transport for London says passenger numbers were down on the tube last week by 19% and by 10% on buses.


TfL says it will need financial support from the government and that its best case scenario is that the coronavirus outbreak will cost it £500m.

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