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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 12:42:32


 


I don't believe them. They were clear on Thursday and Friday that this is our plan. It's all muddy.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


It's only been the questioning of this approach by some scientists, along with the murmerings of backlash amongst the plebs that has prompted the about-turn and subsequent lies.


 


 



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xioni2
16 March 2020 12:42:47


Might at least be advisable to stick to paracetamol if you can (and if you have any!)


Originally Posted by: Essan 


I'd careful even with paracetamol, both it and ibuprofen are overused. It has also been found not to be better than placebo for chronic pain.


http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/what%E2%80%99s-point-paracetamol

Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 12:43:30

Wales only +30 which suggests the UK count will be down today. Two questions:


1) How many tested


2) How many deaths / hospitalisations


Deaths tend to be higher in UK hospitals at weekends. I'm not sure what period of time today's update covers.


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 12:46:18


 


I'd careful even with paracetamol, both it and ibuprofen are overused. It has also been found not to be better than placebo for chronic pain.


http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/what%E2%80%99s-point-paracetamol


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


I prefer not to take tablets for pain relief but, if it's beyond 'moderate' and I want to ease it, I don't bother with paracetamol, and go straight for the prescription-strength Co-Codamol.


It has the added advantage of giving one a mild euphoric buzz as well.



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16 March 2020 12:49:44


Wales only +30 which suggests the UK count will be down today. Two questions:


1) How many tested


2) How many deaths / hospitalisations


Deaths tend to be higher in UK hospitals at weekends. I'm not sure what period of time today's update covers.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


This is was will happen:


Tests will be lower today that yesterday.


Boris will claim our confirmed cases are stable.


Boris will claim we are doing more tests than anywhere else in Europe


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xioni2
16 March 2020 12:50:09


 I prefer not to take tablets for pain relief but, if it's beyond 'moderate' and I want to ease it, I don't bother with paracetamol, and go straight for the prescription-strength Co-Codamol.


It has the added advantage of giving one a mild euphoric buzz as well.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I expected something better from you than mere co-codamol, are your standards falling with age?


Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 12:51:39

There is an useful article in The Times here, which poses the questions they want answers to:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/uk-coronavirus-strategy-the-questions-boris-johnson-must-answer-at-no-10-press-conference-nqn3wwplv


Why does Britain’s response look so different from other countries’?


What is the government expecting from herd immunity and how are we hoping to use it?


What is our testing strategy and how will it keep on top of cases?


What are the uncertainties in the government modelling?


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Those are all good questions which deserve answers, but this is the takeaway paragraph from the article for me:


 


"The UK strategy is driven by an epidemiological model that has concluded self-isolation of those with coughs and fevers, plus quarantining families where one member is sick, will together halve the peak. Shielding the elderly could cut deaths by a third. Yet banning mass gatherings will reduce the peak by only 5 per cent, while school closures by only 10-15 per cent."


 


New world order coming.
Darren S
16 March 2020 12:55:25

Words fail me...




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xioni2
16 March 2020 12:56:56


"The UK strategy is driven by an epidemiological model that has concluded self-isolation of those with coughs and fevers, plus quarantining families where one member is sick, will together halve the peak. Shielding the elderly could cut deaths by a third. Yet banning mass gatherings will reduce the peak by only 5 per cent, while school closures by only 10-15 per cent."


Originally Posted by: The Times 


Thanks for posting this. How can they can be so confident in the modelling result that banning mass gatherings will only reduce the peak by 5%. Experts keep saying that there is so much that we still don't know about the virus and we also don't know the true number of infections.


 


 

Caz
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16 March 2020 12:56:59

 


I prefer not to take tablets for pain relief but, if it's beyond 'moderate' and I want to ease it, I don't bother with paracetamol, and go straight for the prescription-strength Co-Codamol.


It has the added advantage of giving one a mild euphoric buzz as well.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I avoid any medication and prefer to soothe ailments naturally if I can.  I get a bit of hay fever but rather than take antihistamines, I drink nettle tea.  Nettle has natural antihistamines and it’s free!  


Hmmm!  Just realised you probably now have visions of me with a large wart on my nose, stirring a simmering pot. 


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 12:57:08


 


"The UK strategy is driven by an epidemiological model that has concluded self-isolation of those with coughs and fevers, plus quarantining families where one member is sick, will together halve the peak. Shielding the elderly could cut deaths by a third. Yet banning mass gatherings will reduce the peak by only 5 per cent, while school closures by only 10-15 per cent."


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Again the ignorance is breathtaking. It overlooks the fact that all the measures will have value and they are very unlikely to be mutually exclusive. Therefore the existing measures + banning mass gatherings + school closures is almost certain to further reduce the spread.


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xioni2
16 March 2020 12:58:19


Words fail me...


Originally Posted by: Darren S 



At least we know that proper stupidity runs in that family.

Bolty
16 March 2020 12:58:33


Words fail me...




Originally Posted by: Darren S 


And to think if things had gone a bit differently in December, that arsehole's even bigger arsehole of a brother would have been "leading" the country through this pandemic now...


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Polar Low
16 March 2020 12:59:37

Downing Street has said that plans to ration food will not be included in the government's proposed emergency legislation.


PANIC what’s left we may all starve death 

xioni2
16 March 2020 13:00:17


I avoid any medication and prefer to soothe ailments naturally if I can.  I get a bit of hay fever but rather than take antihistamines, I drink nettle tea.  Nettle has natural antihistamines and it’s free!  


Hmmm!  Just realised you probably now have visions of me with a large wart on my nose, stirring a simmering pot. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


He has different visions of you but he is too shy to admit them.


 

warrenb
16 March 2020 13:04:20


 


Again the ignorance is breathtaking. It overlooks the fact that all the measures will have value and they are very unlikely to be mutually exclusive. Therefore the existing measures + banning mass gatherings + school closures is almost certain to further reduce the spread.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Care to show the working out on that one. A few too many experts in here me thinks.


Caz
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16 March 2020 13:04:29


 


He has different visions of you but he is too shy to admit them.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

  Saint doesn’t know what shy means!


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 13:06:01


 


Care to show the working out on that one. A few too many experts in here me thinks.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


I'm talking about the ignorance of the Times editorial writer in this case. 


As in existing measures + banning mass gatherings + school closures is almost certain to further reduce the spread.


Not difficult to understand. 


 



 


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warrenb
16 March 2020 13:09:25


 


I'm talking about the ignorance of the Times editorial writer in this case. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


[Brian]


In that case I apologise.


 


 


 


 


[Not Directed at a particular person]


Please remember at this time of heightened anxiety, let's stick to facts and not rumour, maybe start a separate thread for information and another for discussion.


I believe one of the issues we have at the moment is the media is still giving opinion as well as information, when we are past that, and really should be giving information for people.


Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 13:10:41

Rolls-Royce cars to be asked to build ventilators:




Car manufacturers asked to make ventilators


Car manufacturers are the latest firms to be asked to contribute to the fight against coronavirus.


The UK government is asking the likes of Rolls Royce, Ford and Honda to help build medical equipment, including ventilators, amid growing concern about a shortage of the life-saving equipment.


Downing Street says it wants the manufacturing sector "to come together to help the country".


But the BBC's business editor, Simon Jack, says manufacturers are far from ready to switch production.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51896168


 


Edit: Even the establishment's voice say this:


Although firms stand ready and able to produce more ventilators, a lack of clarity on design specifications and component sourcing mean that production remains many weeks away.


 


The UK government has been caught with its pants down




 

 


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Polar Low
16 March 2020 13:11:00

Sounds like a good idea wonder if others will follow


An Iceland store in Northern Ireland is opening one hour early to allow older shoppers to buy food when it is quieter amid the coronavirus outbreak.


Iceland said it was not a company policy, but it was allowing individual stores to decide how best to meet the needs of shoppers in their local areas.


 

Essan
16 March 2020 13:12:50


I'd careful even with paracetamol, both it and ibuprofen are overused. It has also been found not to be better than placebo for chronic pain.


http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/what%E2%80%99s-point-paracetamol


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



I rarely use paracetamol (and would be inclined to agree with that assessment!).   Did start trying ibuprofen for my arthritis last year, but it didn't make any real difference.  So now back just on whisky and red wine


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Gandalf The White
16 March 2020 13:14:01


 


Again the ignorance is breathtaking. It overlooks the fact that all the measures will have value and they are very unlikely to be mutually exclusive. Therefore the existing measures + banning mass gatherings + school closures is almost certain to further reduce the spread.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


But, again, it's about trying to get the balance right.


We could all just retire to our homes and stay there for 12 months.  That would cut out all transmission.   But that has obvious consequences.


As does closing schools and anything else.


 


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Brian Gaze
16 March 2020 13:15:30


 


But, again, it's about trying to get the balance right.


We could all just retire to our homes and stay there for 12 months.  That would cut out all transmission.   But that has obvious consequences.


As does closing schools and anything else.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Completely agree. However, the government needs to be completely honest and open. If we don't do EVERYTHING it means we are putting a £ price on human life. That could be desirable or even essential. Not being open about it is neither.


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xioni2
16 March 2020 13:16:55

An interesting read about what might have 'gone wrong' in Italy. Perhaps not much!


https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-italy

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