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haghir22
17 March 2020 06:35:04
My daughters school sent this out last night at approx 7.30pm....


I am writing to update you on the latest government guidance issued this evening which will affect whether you decide to send your child into school tomorrow.

The new guidance is that if anyone is suffering from symptoms of a new continuous cough and/or a temperature of over 37.8° they should stay at home for 14 days. Children should also stay at home if they are living with someone with symptoms for 14 days.

I am afraid that this new guidance will now make it very difficult indeed for us to sustain manageable staffing levels in the long term. Whilst the government clearly want schools to stay open, I need to ensure that we have enough staff both to safeguard and to teach our children. We will do all we can to prioritise the teaching of our Year 11 and Year13 students, but it is likely that at some point this week, I will need to enact a partial, or full, closure. We will make sure you are informed of this as early as we can, but at present please assume the school is open unless you hear otherwise.

Thank you for your continuing support and please be assured that my thoughts are with all of you at this very challenging time for everyone.

Yours sincerely
YNWA
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17 March 2020 06:47:20

Meanwhile, a little light entertainment with an important message from our local hospital.  Hand wash video - King’s Mill Hospital  


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Retron
17 March 2020 06:48:08

My daughters school sent this out last night at approx 7.30pm....

Originally Posted by: haghir22 


I've just been in to see the head (yes, I'm in over an hour early, albeit on TWO for the minute!) and she's got a long list of staff who've phoned in because they're self-isolating.


Partial shutdown (at the very least) is inevitable in the coming days. The "don't go out for 14 days if someone in your house has a cough" will close schools even if the government won't.


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Heavy Weather 2013
17 March 2020 06:53:35
It’s seems the government is trying very hard to not lead and let everyone else make up there own minds. This will end in tears
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Caz
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17 March 2020 07:01:04


This is the bit I don't get , you are right though they are desperately trying to get to Easter with this but then what ?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I’ve always believed they’d try to delay school closures until Easter and I think it makes sense.  That gives them two weeks extra time to decide whether to extend the holiday because when they do, it could be for several weeks.  It also gives working parents a little more time to assess their own situation and arrange child care if necessary, because a lot is likely to change in two weeks. 


Edit:  That is of course notwithstanding schools having to close partially, or fully due to staff self isolating, as per Darren’s post. 


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Gooner
17 March 2020 07:05:20


I’ve always believed they’d try to delay school closures until Easter and I think it makes sense.  That gives them two weeks extra time to decide whether to extend the holiday because when they do, it could be for several weeks.  It also gives working parents a little more time to assess their own situation and arrange child care if necessary, because a lot is likely to change in two weeks. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


But if you give a date now rather than announce overnight people will have a chance to get things in place - Darren has already said teachers are self isolating , schools will be shut at the drop of a hat 


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Heavy Weather 2013
17 March 2020 07:06:44


I’ve always believed they’d try to delay school closures until Easter and I think it makes sense.  That gives them two weeks extra time to decide whether to extend the holiday because when they do, it could be for several weeks.  It also gives working parents a little more time to assess their own situation and arrange child care if necessary, because a lot is likely to change in two weeks. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Makes sense for whom? Teachers have a duty of care to themselves and their families. Schools need and must close this week


 


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Caz
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17 March 2020 07:11:08


 


But if you give a date now rather than announce overnight people will have a chance to get things in place - Darren has already said teachers are self isolating , schools will be shut at the drop of a hat 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

My own thoughts are that they would announce an extended Easter break. But that would depend on schools being able to stay open, as per Darren’s post and hence my edit.


The fact is, it’s difficult for anyone to plan anything under the circumstances and we all have to be prepared for overnight changes.  It’s an ongoing situation that we will all need to adapt to quickly. 


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doctormog
17 March 2020 07:12:30


The fact is, it’s difficult for anyone to plan anything under the circumstances and we all have to be prepared for overnight changes.  It’s an ongoing situation that we will all need to adapt to quickly. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Exactly this. 


Gooner
17 March 2020 07:14:12


My own thoughts are that they would announce an extended Easter break. But that would depend on schools being able to stay open, as per Darren’s post and hence my exit. 


The fact is, it’s difficult for anyone to plan anything under the circumstances and we all have to be prepared for overnight changes.  It’s an ongoing situation that we will all need to adapt to quickly. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


But Caz , shutting them early makes absolutely no odds apart from  you have daily mass gatherings at schools , but the government don't want mass gatherings ?????????????


 


I should add I have 3 children at two different schools so its not easy but they should be closed


 


IMO 


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Devonian
17 March 2020 07:15:43


I’ve always believed they’d try to delay school closures until Easter and I think it makes sense.  That gives them two weeks extra time to decide whether to extend the holiday because when they do, it could be for several weeks.  It also gives working parents a little more time to assess their own situation and arrange child care if necessary, because a lot is likely to change in two weeks. 


Edit:  That is of course notwithstanding schools having to close partially, or fully due to staff self isolating, as per Darren’s post. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


it makes sense?


Its a nonsense. I was too close to kids for comfort yesterday. If children show few symptoms then schools are effectively virus factories, virus factories to spread covid to vital workers....


It is madness keeping schools open.

Rob K
17 March 2020 07:18:09
I would be very surprised if the schools open again before September once they do shut, given that 12 weeks of isolation is being talked about for the elderly.
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Retron
17 March 2020 07:18:13


But Caz , shutting them early makes absolutely no odds apart from  you have daily mass gatherings at schools , but the government don't want mass gatherings ?????????????


I should add I have 3 children at two different schools so its not easy but they should be close


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Indeed, with yesterday's announcements the suitation is farcical, nonsensical. There are very few places of employment where you have in excess of 1900 people milling around each other several times a day!


So far the plan today here is to stay open, but "collapse classes"... that apparently depends on enough pupils being off to allow classes to be merged, however.


We don't have enough staff already (and it's only 7:20!) to run the school as normal.


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Devonian
17 March 2020 07:22:37


My own thoughts are that they would announce an extended Easter break. But that would depend on schools being able to stay open, as per Darren’s post and hence my exit. 


The fact is, it’s difficult for anyone to plan anything under the circumstances and we all have to be prepared for overnight changes.  It’s an ongoing situation that we will all need to adapt to quickly. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Actually, I'll qualify this.


Schools should have been open but just for the children of essential workers on a caring for basis.


Thankfully I am still well, but I live with 80 yr old parents. This is the last day I'm prepared to work with student, even out doors.


Everyone else. Think about food. Dig up your gardens just in case and plant eatable things, we will plant as many spuds as we can.


I don't think it will be that bad but a lot of our food comes from abroad...

Caz
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17 March 2020 07:22:42

I would be very surprised if the schools open again before September once they do shut, given that 12 weeks of isolation is being talked about for the elderly.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

That’s my current thinking and another reason to delay closure for as long as possible. 


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Gooner
17 March 2020 07:25:14


That’s my current thinking and another reason to delay closure for as long as possible. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I'm getting you Caz but how much damage can 2 weeks do in schools with over a 1,000 pupils  


10 school days is absolutely nothing 


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Rob K
17 March 2020 07:25:46

Two people on my Facebook went out last night one to a pub and one to a club. I’ve called out there irresponsible actions.

This is the problem. People are still no adhering.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I am struggling to sleep properly at the moment. Waking at random hours.

I wonder today how many teachers will turn up to work. I suspect that school closures will talked about a lot today.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


On Friday I went out to a restaurant for lunch and then a pub in the evening. It’s a measure of how fast things are changing that what seemed reasonable on Friday now seems unthinkable. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
17 March 2020 07:26:28


That’s my current thinking and another reason to delay closure for as long as possible. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Yes let’s just keep them open for the sake of it. To hell with anyone who has loved ones they don’t want to infect.


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17 March 2020 07:28:01

DearBoris


I didn't feel the press conference yesterday really clarified anything - there was lots of stuff about not congregating but mostly on an advisory basis. In my case, the message about self-isolating for 12 weeks was promoted - but when does it start? What about medical/carer visits? Can I go out and do shopping if I pick quiet times and keep my distance (online deliveries are struggling with eg Ocado refusing new customers) as in my case nearly all the neighbours are elderly so local help schemes won't work.


Your, muddled


 


 


Then there's the exit strategy. What happens in 12 weeks' time if the virus is still around? Are HM Govt betting on an early breakthrough in vaccine production? Otherwise this scenario could continue indefinitely.


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Caz
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17 March 2020 07:29:31


Actually, I'll qualify this.


Schools should have been open but just for the children of essential workers on a caring for basis.


Thankfully I am still well, but I live with 80 yr old parents. This is the last day I'm prepared to work with student, even out doors.


Everyone else. Think about food. Dig up your gardens just in case and plant eatable things, we will plant as many spuds as we can.


I don't think it will be that bad but a lot of our food comes from abroad...


Originally Posted by: Devonian 

That sounds fair and reasonable, except I’d say keep schools open for all students who turn up.  Everyone has different circumstances to consider so each should take their own measures to safeguard themselves and their household. 


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Rob K
17 March 2020 07:33:32


From a personal point of view, one of the worst things for me is when do I visit my parents again? They are both around 70 but bearing that in mind neither are really high risk i would have thought (eg my dad does things like 20-30 mile walks in a day sometimes). However, the thought of indirectly killing one or both of your parents is a pretty frightening thought. I am next due to go back in early May so i guess i have time to see how things pan out before making a decision. Having spoken to others my age it seems a pretty common concern.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


As I understand it the advice is not going to be to cut off all contact with older relatives. You can still visit, but maintain physical distance, avoid physical contact etc.


My wife’s parents came over for lunch on Sunday and waving them off felt very strange knowing we may not be able to do the same for months.  


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speckledjim
17 March 2020 07:34:39
Schools being open or closed is not going to stop the demand for ICU beds. The only action that will do that is for vulnerable groups to isolate immediately. If they are isolated then they are safe.
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Justin W
17 March 2020 07:35:26


That sounds fair and reasonable, except I’d say keep schools open for all students who turn up.  Everyone has different circumstances to consider so each should take their own measures to safeguard themselves and their household. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 



And still people don’t get this. To prevent thousands of deaths, virtually all communal activity has to stop immediately.


Everybody’s circumstances are exactly the same: we all have a responsibility to prevent this virus killing tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of people.


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John p
17 March 2020 07:40:26

"Operation Last Gasp"


Get this clown out of office now 


https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1239818030676357120?s=21


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Justin W
17 March 2020 07:41:14
What is also clear is that the printing presses must be switched on TODAY and hundreds of billions of pounds helicoptered to every business and every person in this country.

This must happen immediately. Otherwise the economy will collapse and never recover.
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