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Darren S
19 March 2020 22:21:02


 


Reports around here of petrol stations now running dry. Since no one is going anywhere what the hell is happening to the petrol / diesel? Has someone started a rumour about it being a cure?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


We had exactly the same thing on a couple of previous occasions when there were rumours that refineries were going to be blockaded. It must make a huge difference when everyone decides to fill their tanks up.


We have 32.5 million cars in the UK. If you assume that on average their tanks are half-full, and that as a consequence of this panic buying everyone's tank becomes three-quarters full, then that's over 100 million litres of fuel required.

Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Gooner
19 March 2020 22:21:04


 


This to me is a real problem and all Johnson is done is stand up and say 'don't worry, supplies are fine, no reason to panic buy'.


It is clear, much to my chagrin, that people in this country cannot be trusted to stop this by themselves.  I am extremely disappointed in the people who have cleared shelves, there is no excuse.


I am also disappointed that the gov't and supermarket collectively have not sat down and worked this out. I actually mostly blame the supermarket leadership.  I read today supermarkets are basically all going to adopt the Aldi/Lidl model of reduced lines per product. This should have happened weeks ago.  The restrictions have been far too late and far too generous.  It is now the position that supermarkets will probably have to be policed properly by the Police.  I also have no idea how people are storing all this, I can only assume they will eventually run out of space and money.


I have not done any panic buying despite have 2 young children, because I don't want to be part of the problem.  I've been rewarded with empty nappy shelves for my 1 year old son. No woe-is-me though, I saw this coming and should have an online (not excessive) delivery tomorrow, otherwise my son would have been shitting into his pyjamas from about Sunday.


Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


Sales of freezers have shot up

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Saint Snow
19 March 2020 22:22:24


 


Reports around here of petrol stations now running dry. Since no one is going anywhere what the hell is happening to the petrol / diesel? Has someone started a rumour about it being a cure?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


I was WhatsApp'd the rumour today that Stanlow refinery was bring closed down tonight, and *helpfully* urging us all to fill-up.


It's utter bollocks, and wouldn't surprise me if it was started by some dickhead thinking it funny to get a run on fuel going.


I'd be happy to 'tube' them.


With a f***ing drainpipe.


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Heavy Weather 2013
19 March 2020 22:22:47
Since 4 O’clock the pound has sunk nearly another 3% against the dollar

This is usually an indication of perception and clearly it’s showing a total and utter failure
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Tom Oxon
19 March 2020 22:23:21


 


 


I was WhatsApp'd the rumour today that Stanlow refinery was bring closed down tonight, and *helpfully* urging us all to fill-up.


It's utter bollocks, and wouldn't surprise me if it was started by some dickhead thinking it funny to get a run on fuel going.


I'd be happy to 'tube' them.


With a f***ing drainpipe.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


In the post-mortem of all of this, social media will have some serious questions to answer.

S Warwickshire countryside, c.375ft asl.
Bolty
19 March 2020 22:24:48
The problem is, when the stock does eventually run out, that's when people will begin turning to violence. I've already started to see people getting aggressive with each other in the shops or with the staff, when something they need is nearly out of stock. This is going to get much, much worse before it gets better, put it that way. Some people are going to be in for a very difficult year...
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
Tom Oxon
19 March 2020 22:26:16

The problem is, when the stock does eventually run out, that's when people will begin turning to violence. I've already started to see people getting aggressive with each other in the shops or with the staff, when something they need is nearly out of stock. This is going to get much, much worse before it gets better, put it that way. Some people are going to be in for a very difficult year...

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


At this point, martial law would be inevitable.

S Warwickshire countryside, c.375ft asl.
Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 22:26:19

Meanwhile, EasyJet's chief executive Johan Lundgren has defended the payment of £170m in dividends to shareholders, at a time when the company is seeking financial help from the government.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51962981


 

Brian Gaze
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Bolty
19 March 2020 22:27:15


 


Reports around here of petrol stations now running dry. Since no one is going anywhere what the hell is happening to the petrol / diesel? Has someone started a rumour about it being a cure?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Petrol doesn't seem too bad up here, just yet. I've still got 1/2 a tank left in mine but I might have to go out early tomorrow morning and fill it up, just so I at least have some before the vultures come and take it all.

Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 22:28:07


 


I was WhatsApp'd the rumour today that Stanlow refinery was bring closed down tonight, and *helpfully* urging us all to fill-up.


It's utter bollocks, and wouldn't surprise me if it was started by some dickhead thinking it funny to get a run on fuel going.


I'd be happy to 'tube' them.


With a f***ing drainpipe.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Wouldn't surprise me at all. I really think the government needs to act quickly to stop this sort of thing. Rationing if necessary.

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Chichesterweatherfan2
19 March 2020 22:29:32


Caught some of Question Time earlier. Two observations:


1. It's far better when you don't have an audience packed with sub-average intelligence rabid Brexit loons.


2. If the excellent Andy Burnham had won the Labour leadership, this country would be in a massively different - and better - place than it is now (disregarding Cov-19 obviously)


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


100% agree Saint...it is why Any Questions on R4 is always so much better..The sort of morons drinking in Weatherspoons will be the ones on QT audiences in 20 years time... angry, over weight reddish faces . .. And tragedy for UK that we ended up with Corbyn rather than Burnham.

Rob K
19 March 2020 22:30:54

Government using mobile location data to tackle outbreak:

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-using-mobile-location-data-to-tackle-outbreak-11960050

This apparently to see if people are following social distancing. Why don’t they just look a Social media and see.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Surely mobile location data is not that accurate to be able to tell if people are 2 metres apart!

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Saint Snow
19 March 2020 22:31:20


Meanwhile, EasyJet's chief executive Johan Lundgren has defended the payment of £170m in dividends to shareholders, at a time when the company is seeking financial help from the government.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51962981


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Following the bankster business model: socialise the risk, privatise the reward. 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
David M Porter
19 March 2020 22:31:25


 


I concluded some days ago that the raw data on mortality was pretty useless as a means of trying to work out the risk to any individual in any particular age group. My hope is that the risk to fit and healthy people is quite low and very low amongst younger people.


But I agree with you; I'd rather not catch it.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


My mum and dad are 73 and 76 respectively and so evidently, they are both in the high-risk group. However, both are as fit and healthy as one could reasonably expect the average person in that age group to be; neither have ever been smokers or ever consumed alcohol. At least not to my knowledge!


Given that, I would hope that given my mum and dad's reasonably good state of general health, that may give them a better chance of avoidng the worst effects of this virus should, heaven forbid, either of them catch it.

Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 22:38:18

Almost every other country adopted a “suppression” strategy, so the UK policy would inevitably have led to many more deaths in the first wave. Killing your population faster than France, Italy, Germany and South Korea might be the right strategy, but it was not politically sustainable. The policy was not time consistent and decent economists could, and did, predict it would fail. 


These policy choices have had consequences. To the rest of the world, the UK has looked arrogant and incompetent, a toxic mix. Sterling is suffering a steep fall as a result. The U-turns have shorn ministers and their scientific advisers of credibility. If people do not believe the prime minister will be able to do what he says and achieve results, public confidence will be lost at the most important time. 


https://www.ft.com/content/0536da9c-69ca-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75?sharetype=blocked


 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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David M Porter
19 March 2020 22:39:27


 


This to me is a real problem and all Johnson is done is stand up and say 'don't worry, supplies are fine, no reason to panic buy'.


It is clear, much to my chagrin, that people in this country cannot be trusted to stop this by themselves.  I am extremely disappointed in the people who have cleared shelves, there is no excuse.


I am also disappointed that the gov't and supermarket collectively have not sat down and worked this out. I actually mostly blame the supermarket leadership.  I read today supermarkets are basically all going to adopt the Aldi/Lidl model of reduced lines per product. This should have happened weeks ago.  The restrictions have been far too late and far too generous.  It is now the position that supermarkets will probably have to be policed properly by the Police.  I also have no idea how people are storing all this, I can only assume they will eventually run out of space and money.


I have not done any panic buying despite have 2 young children, because I don't want to be part of the problem.  I've been rewarded with empty nappy shelves for my 1 year old son. No woe-is-me though, I saw this coming and should have an online (not excessive) delivery tomorrow, otherwise my son would have been shitting into his pyjamas from about Sunday.


Originally Posted by: Tom Oxon 


My honest view is that had the govt a couple of months ago made some proper planning for the potential of an outbreak of Covid-19 in the UK generally, then for one thing we may have avoided this most unfortunate situation of panic buying we have seen from an awful lot of people over the past week or so.


It was HMG's failure to take proper notice of the warning signs of this pandemic that were clearly visible from numerous countries at that time that has been instrumental in landing us where we are now.

Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Sevendust
19 March 2020 22:45:05


Caught some of Question Time earlier. Two observations:


1. It's far better when you don't have an audience packed with sub-average intelligence rabid Brexit loons.


2. If the excellent Andy Burnham had won the Labour leadership, this country would be in a massively different - and better - place than it is now (disregarding Cov-19 obviously)


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Agree on both counts 

westv
19 March 2020 22:51:30

Since 4 O’clock the pound has sunk nearly another 3% against the dollar

This is usually an indication of perception and clearly it’s showing a total and utter failure

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


3%? What are you talking about? It ended down 1.37%.


The US$ also gained 2.32% against the € and 2.71% against the JPY.

At least it will be mild!
bowser
19 March 2020 22:52:35


Meanwhile, EasyJet's chief executive Johan Lundgren has defended the payment of £170m in dividends to shareholders, at a time when the company is seeking financial help from the government.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51962981


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


indefensible.

bowser
19 March 2020 22:55:24


 


My honest view is that had the govt a couple of months ago made some proper planning for the potential of an outbreak of Covid-19 in the UK generally, then for one thing we may have avoided this most unfortunate situation of panic buying we have seen from an awful lot of people over the past week or so.


It was HMG's failure to take proper notice of the warning signs of this pandemic that were clearly visible from numerous countries at that time that has been instrumental in landing us where we are now.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Never going to happen. Countries who have half planned for this are the exception. As I’ve said previously, there is a logic to hoarding when your country imports well over half its food (much of which comes from countries that are in lockdown.)

Heavy Weather 2013
19 March 2020 22:57:04


 


3%? What are you talking about? It ended down 1.37%.


The US$ also gained 2.32% against the € and 2.71% against the JPY.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Currency markets trade 24hrs. 


Perhaps take a look at IGindex. Click on Pound v Dollar. Then look at the chart since 4pm this evening. Bottom left


Perhaps then you can reign in your tone before assuming I don’t know what I am talking about.


Thanks.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
bowser
19 March 2020 22:58:47


 


Currency markets trade 24hrs. 


Perhaps take a look at IGindex. Click on Pound v Dollar. Then look at the chart since 4pm this evening. Bottom left


Perhaps then you can reign in your tone before assuming I don’t know what I am talking about.


Thanks.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Euro sinking against the dollar too. Safe haven buying.

westv
19 March 2020 23:03:31


 


Currency markets trade 24hrs. 


Perhaps take a look at IGindex. Click on Pound v Dollar. Then look at the chart since 4pm this evening. Bottom left


Perhaps then you can reign in your tone before assuming I don’t know what I am talking about.


Thanks.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


IG Index shows 1.14. The same as the BBC so my percentages are correct.

At least it will be mild!
Heavy Weather 2013
19 March 2020 23:16:43


 


IG Index shows 1.14. The same as the BBC so my percentages are correct.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Yes of course they both show both 1.14 because that’s what it’s showing as of right know.


The percentage drop I mentioned was since 16:00.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
westv
19 March 2020 23:20:32


 


Yes of course they both show both 1.14 because that’s what it’s showing as of right know.


The percentage drop I mentioned was since 16:00.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


But that was from an earlier peak which was itself 2.5% or so higher than earlier.


Your statement that this was "clearly it’s showing a total and utter failure" was wrong seeing as the US$ was also gaining against the €.


Haven currency as already mentioned.

At least it will be mild!

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