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Gandalf The White
19 March 2020 21:24:55


This is interesting - China is anything but returning to normality:


 


 




Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Entirely as predicted. The virus is in the environment and it still has the same potential to cause severe illness. 


This is where every country on Earth will be until we achieve herd immunity from either a vaccine or sufficient numbers becoming infected.


It’s not a pretty prospect.


 


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Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 21:26:46

There are also some worrying signs of some disastrous outcomes among younger people in the UK. I think the data will need investigating as quickly as possible and Whitty will need challenging again.


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Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 21:28:55


 


Who are they?


Im sure wetherspoon will close as well, if he can get financial support from the govt and insurance cover sorted out


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Here...


https://bars.beerhawk.co.uk/


 


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The Beast from the East
19 March 2020 21:29:00
One thing we can all be thankful for is that the hag Maybot is not in charge. She would never have turned the spending taps on like Boris has. He hasn’t gone far enough in terms of employees but Richie Rich will rectify that tomorrow. For the first time since the election I am understanding why so many Labour voters like Boris
"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 21:35:08

I see there are rumours that Anthony Fauci is out of the frame because he has p1ssed off Trump. That would be a shame and a big loss for the US. After a step forward in recent days it appears Trump has found reverse gear. Hopefully he'll come to his senses tomorrow.


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Chunky Pea
19 March 2020 21:35:18


 


Entirely as predicted. The virus is in the environment and it still has the same potential to cause severe illness. 


This is where every country on Earth will be until we achieve herd immunity from either a vaccine or sufficient numbers becoming infected.


It’s not a pretty prospect.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I thought this comment under that statement took the wind out its sails a little:


"Those graphs look great. I wish "nobody going to cinema" were the cost of containment here. China did amazing. Protected their citizens. We can only hope".


 


Edit, meant to quote MM's rather than your post. 


 


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Bugglesgate
19 March 2020 21:36:03


There are also some worrying signs of some disastrous outcomes among younger people in the UK. I think the data will need investigating as quickly as possible and Whitty will need challenging again.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Yes, I noticed that. 


The mortality by age  stat  is heavily influenced by health conditions becuase the older you are, the more likley you are to have underlying heath issues.    However, some younger people in poor health  (obese, lack of physical condition, smoking all kinds of crap, etc etc) are  also likley to fare badly with this.  Then there is the random variable of  the individual constitution and how it will react to the virus.


Although I'm not in the  high risk age group, have no underlying health issues, don't smoke and not over weight, I'd still rather not get this bloody thing if there is any possible way to avoid it  !


 


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The Beast from the East
19 March 2020 21:41:13


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 21:41:46


Although I'm not in the  high risk age group, have no underlying health issues, don't smoke and not over weight, I'd still rather not get this bloody thing if there is any possible way to avoid it  !


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Same as you. I was discussing with a neighbour yesterday (more than 2m distance!) and he said you'd have to bloody mad to gamble on catching this quickly to get it done with.


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The Beast from the East
19 March 2020 21:46:19


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
19 March 2020 21:49:05


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Chunky Pea
19 March 2020 21:58:00

Amazing what a bit a statistical trickery can achieve:


https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/


 


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Saint Snow
19 March 2020 21:59:03


We don`t need to be turned into a police state and if they try it will lead to civil unrest and a total breakdown of law and order. 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


 


No response, Justin?


 




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Heavy Weather 2013
19 March 2020 22:00:38




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You have to conclude this 12 week figure was incredibly badly judged. The experts shielding Boris didn’t share the enthusiasm and that was clear. 


If they have any integrity they should resign.


Mark
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Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Saint Snow
19 March 2020 22:05:42




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


The empty promises have as much integrity about them as Bozo & Rasputin. 


I'm now seeing clients beginning to receive formal requests for payment extensions. A case of manufacturers and B2B suppliers having to fund the income shortfall of their buyers.


This is going to be carnage. But for a few select sectors - supermarkets principally - it will mean mega-profits.


I want to see a windfall tax when the dust settles 



Martin
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Aneurin Bevan
Gandalf The White
19 March 2020 22:08:13


 


 


Yes, I noticed that. 


The mortality by age  stat  is heavily influenced by health conditions becuase the older you are, the more likley you are to have underlying heath issues.    However, some younger people in poor health  (obese, lack of physical condition, smoking all kinds of crap, etc etc) are  also likley to fare badly with this.  Then there is the random variable of  the individual constitution and how it will react to the virus.


Although I'm not in the  high risk age group, have no underlying health issues, don't smoke and not over weight, I'd still rather not get this bloody thing if there is any possible way to avoid it  !


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I concluded some days ago that the raw data on mortality was pretty useless as a means of trying to work out the risk to any individual in any particular age group. My hope is that the risk to fit and healthy people is quite low and very low amongst younger people.


But I agree with you; I'd rather not catch it.


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Heavy Weather 2013
19 March 2020 22:08:40


 


 


The empty promises have as much integrity about them as Bozo & Rasputin. 


I'm now seeing clients beginning to receive formal requests for payment extensions. A case of manufacturers and B2B suppliers having to fund the income shortfall of their buyers.


This is going to be carnage. But for a few select sectors - supermarkets principally - it will mean mega-profits.


I want to see a windfall tax when the dust settles 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Agreed, the irony of this is. This isn’t just a health bomb it’s a economic bomb as well. 


These people swanning around the pub are not only going to kill people, there the ones that will probably find themselves in financial ruin.


 


Mark
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Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Saint Snow
19 March 2020 22:10:00

Caught some of Question Time earlier. Two observations:


1. It's far better when you don't have an audience packed with sub-average intelligence rabid Brexit loons.


2. If the excellent Andy Burnham had won the Labour leadership, this country would be in a massively different - and better - place than it is now (disregarding Cov-19 obviously)


 



Martin
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Gooner
19 March 2020 22:11:23

More and more shops have empty shelves , this surely cant go on , when do you think the Government will step in


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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Saint Snow
19 March 2020 22:12:27


More and more shops have empty shelves , this surely cant go on , when do you think the Government will step in


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Never.



Martin
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Brian Gaze
19 March 2020 22:13:39


More and more shops have empty shelves , this surely cant go on , when do you think the Government will step in


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Reports around here of petrol stations now running dry. Since no one is going anywhere what the hell is happening to the petrol / diesel? Has someone started a rumour about it being a cure?


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Gooner
19 March 2020 22:13:44


 


 


Never.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Appreciated 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
19 March 2020 22:17:07


 


Reports around here of petrol stations now running dry. Since no one is going anywhere what the hell is happening to the petrol / diesel? Has someone started a rumour about it being a cure?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A work colleague has a brother on one of the rigs and he warned him at the weekend they are struggling to get  anything close to the demand 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Heavy Weather 2013
19 March 2020 22:18:10
Things are unravelling before our eyes here and I genuinely don’t believe Boris is even taking this seriously.

You only have to see how things has escalated in SEVEN days. I dread to think where this country will be this time next week.

Hearing business are going to the wall by the hour.
Mark
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Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Tom Oxon
19 March 2020 22:18:18


More and more shops have empty shelves , this surely cant go on , when do you think the Government will step in


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This to me is a real problem and all Johnson is done is stand up and say 'don't worry, supplies are fine, no reason to panic buy'.


It is clear, much to my chagrin, that people in this country cannot be trusted to stop this by themselves.  I am extremely disappointed in the people who have cleared shelves, there is no excuse.


I am also disappointed that the gov't and supermarket collectively have not sat down and worked this out. I actually mostly blame the supermarket leadership.  I read today supermarkets are basically all going to adopt the Aldi/Lidl model of reduced lines per product. This should have happened weeks ago.  The restrictions have been far too late and far too generous.  It is now the position that supermarkets will probably have to be policed properly by the Police.  I also have no idea how people are storing all this, I can only assume they will eventually run out of space and money.


I have not done any panic buying despite have 2 young children, because I don't want to be part of the problem.  I've been rewarded with empty nappy shelves for my 1 year old son. No woe-is-me though, I saw this coming and should have an online (not excessive) delivery tomorrow, otherwise my son would have been shitting into his pyjamas from about Sunday.


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