No. What he is doing it seems is actively encouraging his customer base to commit involuntary man slaughter.  

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

TBH, there are very varied reports about the severity of symptoms. Some people get hit very hard and others it seems, have very mild symptoms. I hypothesise that there are a number of factors which predispose people to severe symptoms, some of which may be genetic and most of which are currently unknown. 

Originally Posted by: Ulric 

By you own logic, anyone who goes to a supermarket or work or leaves the house is guilty. Unless we impose Chinese total lockdown and confine people to their homes, this cannot be contained

Just let it rip. If Nadine Dorries can make a full recovery, so can we all

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

As I mentioned yesterday,now the list of keyworkers is out, you'll see the schools are not closed. Far from it.
They might as well carry on with the exams!
I wonder if this was factored in to the imperial model?
My view is the Government still haven't actually done anything tacit and that we're more on course for 250k deaths than 20k.

Originally Posted by: John p 

By you own logic, anyone who goes to a supermarket or work or leaves the house is guilty. Unless we impose Chinese total lockdown and confine people to their homes, this cannot be contained

Just let it rip. If Nadine Dorries can make a full recovery, so can we all

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

TBH, there are very varied reports about the severity of symptoms. Some people get hit very hard and others it seems, have very mild symptoms. I hypothesise that there are a number of factors which predispose people to severe symptoms, some of which may be genetic and most of which are currently unknown. The UK testing regime almost guarantees that we have little idea how far/fast this is spreading in the population at large but I'm sure that social distancing is having an effect. Round here, the streets are deserted and traffic is very thin. People are keeping their distance and not touching each other when they meet. Elbow bumps instead of handshakes and respectful distances kept.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 

Oxfordshire is one of the worst affected counties - wouldn't be that a lot of people from Oxfordshire go skiing would it?

In Worcestershire, we still only have 8 official cases and our hospitals bear that out, whilst Birmingham hospitals are under pressure. Odd how adjacent regions can have such different profiles - you can of course point out that Worcestershire is a largely rural county and the West Midlands conurbation is densely populated, which of course is true - but Oxfordshire is largely rural too, as is Hampshire (which is also a hotspot).

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

There is a utilitarian argument for "letting it rip" - get it through the population quickly and start the recovery. However, I read some political analysis of such an approach last night (political, not medical) and the problem is this - people (quite rightly) would not accept seeing the death rate in the UK far exceed that of other countries, including Italy and Spain - you would be throwing at least a quarter of a million people in the bin for the sake of the economy. Now, a good proportion of those deaths would be amongst retired and vulnerable people, who in a strictly utilitarian sense, don't contribute anything to the economy - but they are also parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters - this is not a national struggle like a World War, people would see their loved ones being taken away and would not think "this is for the good of the economy".

I am certainly not advocating any such strategy, just trying to portray the logic of it.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Nonsense. People have to eat and not all have access to online shopping. Only essential workers should now be commuting IMO. Absolutely no one NEEDS to go to the pub. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

There is a utilitarian argument for "letting it rip" - get it through the population quickly and start the recovery. However, I read some political analysis of such an approach last night (political, not medical) and the problem is this - people (quite rightly) would not accept seeing the death rate in the UK far exceed that of other countries, including Italy and Spain - you would be throwing at least a quarter of a million people in the bin for the sake of the economy. Now, a good proportion of those deaths would be amongst retired and vulnerable people, who in a strictly utilitarian sense, don't contribute anything to the economy - but they are also parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters - this is not a national struggle like a World War, people would see their loved ones being taken away and would not think "this is for the good of the economy".

I am certainly not advocating any such strategy, just trying to portray the logic of it.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

As I said before we are not Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. If we simply "let it rip" and consciously sent people to their deaths we would be heading in that direction.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

He is an idiot IMHO. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I suspect that long term the death numbers may be similar whatever we do. If we "let it rip" we'll have a high death rate in the next few months but much less over the next few years (assuming it's not "cured"). Plus, hospitals will be unable to cope and those with other illnesses and injuries will suffer (and die) as a consequence. Spreading the death rate over the longer (longest possible) term does now seem to me to be more sensible.

Originally Posted by: Essan 

There is a utilitarian argument for "letting it rip" - get it through the population quickly and start the recovery. However, I read some political analysis of such an approach last night (political, not medical) and the problem is this - people (quite rightly) would not accept seeing the death rate in the UK far exceed that of other countries, including Italy and Spain - you would be throwing at least a quarter of a million people in the bin for the sake of the economy. Now, a good proportion of those deaths would be amongst retired and vulnerable people, who in a strictly utilitarian sense, don't contribute anything to the economy - but they are also parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters - this is not a national struggle like a World War, people would see their loved ones being taken away and would not think "this is for the good of the economy".

I am certainly not advocating any such strategy, just trying to portray the logic of it.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

As I said before we are not Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. If we simply "let it rip" and consciously sent people to their deaths we would be heading in that direction.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

It wouldnt be that high, thats a worst case scenario

Many English people stick their elderly relatives in care homes because they dont want to look after them in their own homes, unlike southern European, Asian and African cultures.

I don't think they would be too upset if Granny clocks it

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Look at the pound and FTSE today. Surging!

Boris boosterism is working a treat. . The plebs love him

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Is it true the idiot Martin isn't even providing his staff with sanitiser gel?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Many English people stick their elderly relatives in care homes because they dont want to look after them in their own homes, unlike southern European, Asian and African cultures.

I don't think they would be too upset if Granny clocks it

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

 They have run out in my pub and also toilet paper, 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East