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Brian Gaze
20 March 2020 16:42:49

Trump is having a shocker this afternoon.  Fauci is back and at one point he made Trump look like a fool. He quickly had to backtrack and cover for Trump - clearly fearing he would be out of the door otherwise. It revolved around the malaria drug they are intending to test.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Retron
20 March 2020 16:43:31

So a London hospital already declaring a critical incident. I suspect carnage this weekend as the dominos fall.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yup, I'd expect a slightly faster rise in the death rate now that capacity is starting to be exhausted. This is where it moves from treating everyone, to only treating those most likely to recover. It then goes on to treating just younger and younger people - and it'll ramp up pretty quickly too!


We'll soon be at the stage where doctors have to make some very painful decisions. I'd expect a bit of hysteria in the media to start with, but it will soon become routine.


It's inevitable with exponential growth, sadly.


Leysdown, north Kent
Bugglesgate
20 March 2020 16:43:45

Went to the local shop (for local people).  to collects some stamps and a local paper for  elderly  parents who are isolating themselves . They are  now  enforcing  distancing.  They are limiting people in the shop to a certain level (one only goes in when one comes out.  Raj is also  actively  preventing hoarding.  One bog roll pack  per  person and they are refusing to let people buy daft quantities of anything else.


On the other side, they have a network of helpers in the village who are taking  'phone orders and arranging delivers for  older people who are quarantining them selves.  Local  / community   knowledge  ensures nobody  "takes the piss",


This is what has to happen.  A section of the community   can't be relied upon  to behave in a civilised way so  they must be prevented from allowing their damned selfish behaviour   from impacting on other, vulnerable people.


I think key workers (like the nurse in tears on the TV)  need to be issued with a special  pass  to make sure they get  a place in front of the idiots in the food queue - there must be a way to arrange this with the supermarket delivery network.


We are heading for a command economy IMHO out of necessity.   The free-market free-for-all is letting people down and will result in major problems in its own right if allowed to continue.  I  am prepared to bet a sizeable sum that a high proportion of the stuff that is currently being panic bought   will end  up in the wheelie bin


 


 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Brian Gaze
20 March 2020 16:43:55


 


It's even worse, see my post above. This is the same hospital that the consultant had written about the huge preparations and ICU expansion.


Cheers to that as Beast would say.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yep. 24 hours later the hospital is fcuked.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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xioni2
20 March 2020 16:44:38

Truly horrendous situation in Northwick Park Hospital...and total and utter respect to medical people putting their lives on the line literally... I am a life long opponent of the death penalty ....but might be willing to make an exception for Tim Martin and his utter nonsense encouraging people to go to his wretched pubs.

Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


The situation will escalate rapidly in our hospitals in the next 2 weeks. It's almost like the perfect storm.

Gandalf The White
20 March 2020 16:46:13


 


Journalists are journalists whether they are 'foreign' or not. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Either you've missed the point again or I'm not sure what you're trying to say. 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Justin W
20 March 2020 16:46:36


Went to the local shop (for local people).  to collects some stamps and a local paper for  elderly  parents who are isolating themselves . They are  now  enforcing  distancing.  They are limiting people in the shop to a certain level (one only goes in when one comes out.  Raj is also  actively  preventing hoarding.  One bog roll pack  per  person and they are refusing to let people buy daft quantities of anything else.


On the other side, they have a network of helpers in the village who are taking  'phone orders and arranging delivers for  older people who are quarantining them selves.  Local  / community   knowledge  ensures nobody  "takes the piss",


This is what has to happen.  A section of the community   can't be relied upon  to behave in a civilised way so  they must be prevented from allowing their damned selfish behaviour   from impacting on other, vulnerable people.


I think key workers (like the nurse in tears on the TV)  need to be issued with a special  pass  to make sure they get  a place in front of the idiots in the food queue - there must be a way to arrange this with the supermarket delivery network.


We are heading for a command economy IMHO out of necessity.   The free-market free-for-all is letting people down and will result in major problems in its own right if allowed to continue.  I  am prepared to bet a sizeable sum that a high proportion of the stuff that is currently being panic bought   will end  up in teh wheelie bin


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


 


A lot of it seems to be appearing on ebay


 


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tesco-Luxury-soft-9-Toilet-Rolls/223952162389?hash=item342496ce55%3Ag%3AqCUAAOSwsG9edMtR&LH_BIN=1


 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
xioni2
20 March 2020 16:46:44


 Yep. 24 hours later the hospital is fcuked.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The Italian ICU doctors kept saying how quickly it all happened, one day they were looking at new ICUs and lots of preparations and then just 2-3 days later everything overwhelmed.


They kept using the word tsunami. We had the advantage of their early warning, but we keep ignoring it.


 

Gooner
20 March 2020 16:47:35


 


Yup, I'd expect a slightly faster rise in the death rate now that capacity is starting to be exhausted. This is where it moves from treating everyone, to only treating those most likely to recover. It then goes on to treating just younger and younger people - and it'll ramp up pretty quickly too!


We'll soon be at the stage where doctors have to make some very painful decisions. I'd expect a bit of hysteria in the media to start with, but it will soon become routine.


It's inevitable with exponential growth, sadly.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Absolutely horrific situation 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Brian Gaze
20 March 2020 16:50:11

I'm starting to get emails from online retailers saying they can no longer guarantee delivery. The entire economic system is beginning to crumble. Truly historic.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Justin W
20 March 2020 16:50:46

Three things are certain now:


1) A lot of people are going to die in very short order


2) The parlous state of the NHS will finally become obvious to all but the most slow witted


2) HMG will do everything in its power to deflect responsibility for this


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Justin W
20 March 2020 16:52:05


I'm starting to get emails from online retailers saying they can no longer guarantee delivery. The entire economic system is beginning to crumble. Truly historic.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I put the likelihood of a total economic collapse at 20%. It is rising.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Chichesterweatherfan2
20 March 2020 16:52:19


 


Yup, I'd expect a slightly faster rise in the death rate now that capacity is starting to be exhausted. This is where it moves from treating everyone, to only treating those most likely to recover. It then goes on to treating just younger and younger people - and it'll ramp up pretty quickly too!


We'll soon be at the stage where doctors have to make some very painful decisions. I'd expect a bit of hysteria in the media to start with, but it will soon become routine.


It's inevitable with exponential growth, sadly.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Very sobering, Retron, but sadly I’m sure you are right and I really wish you weren’t....

xioni2
20 March 2020 16:52:55


2) HMG will do everything in its power to deflect responsibility for this


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Of course, if there is one thing useless populists governments are good at is political messaging (propaganda) and scapegoating.


But yeah, the descent is starting.

westv
20 March 2020 16:55:10
Any update on how Russia is getting on?
At least it will be mild!
Justin W
20 March 2020 16:55:36


 


Of course, if there is one thing useless populists governments are good at is political messaging (propaganda) and scapegoating.


But yeah, the descent is starting.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I am seriously beginning to think we might be going over the edge in the next few weeks. The Italian figures continue to be horrific and that is with a well-funded and well-organised health service. We are third world by comparison and this is only just starting. Plus HMG's softly softly approach is like pouring kerosene onto a plane crash.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Chichesterweatherfan2
20 March 2020 16:55:52
Maybe the rapidly developing tragedy, world wide, could mean the end of populist governments down the line...USA. Italy, Uk...? Desperately searching for something positive amidst an ocean of human misery and tragedy.
xioni2
20 March 2020 16:57:57


 I am seriously beginning to think we might be going over the edge in the next few weeks. The Italian figures continue to be horrific and that is with a well-funded and well-organised health service. We are third world by comparison and this is only just starting. Plus HMG's softly softly approach is like pouring kerosene onto a plane crash.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I am still trying to delude myself that factors such as our lower population density and geographical distance from N.Italy might just prevent a big catastrophe, but then every time I look at the state of the NHS and the measures of the government so far, I despair.

Lionel Hutz
20 March 2020 16:59:29


 


I am seriously beginning to think we might be going over the edge in the next few weeks. The Italian figures continue to be horrific and that is with a well-funded and well-organised health service. We are third world by comparison and this is only just starting. Plus HMG's softly softly approach is like pouring kerosene onto a plane crash.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


This is what I can't understand. The UK needs some sort of lockdown now.


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



westv
20 March 2020 16:59:33

So a London hospital already declaring a critical incident. I suspect carnage this weekend as the dominos fall.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The BBC have just advised it was over the past 24hrs and has just been stood down.


At least it will be mild!
Heavy Weather 2013
20 March 2020 17:01:11

Hearing that Lockdown will be from Sunday. I could be wrong.


This would be a horrific error of judgement, giving every a chance for one last hurrah on Saturday night and Mothers day.


Lets see..


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
westv
20 March 2020 17:03:34


Hearing that Lockdown will be from Sunday. I could be wrong.


This would be a horrific error of judgement, giving every a chance for one last hurrah on Saturday night and Mothers day.


Lets see..


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


BBC says that new measures expected to be announced but not sure if they are referring to what the Chancellor is going to announce or not.


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
20 March 2020 17:03:36
72 of the UKs deaths are in London

JHutch
20 March 2020 17:03:41

Its a thumbs-up from the public 


 



Quantum
20 March 2020 17:04:34


Hearing that Lockdown will be from Sunday. I could be wrong.


This would be a horrific error of judgement, giving every a chance for one last hurrah on Saturday night and Mothers day.


Lets see..


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


As long as they don't tell people they are locking down.


Just do it when people don't expect it.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.

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