I don't believe that is the case, it's a just a matter of time before we get European style lockdowns. The government is playing catch up and things will get much messier. Just to give a few examples:

• restaurants closed but not those in hotels (they were rammed yesterday) 


• the half closed schools


• advise/nudge people instead of ordering them

We'll see the govt panic when we start getting hundreds of deaths daily.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

What you and a few others are saying is that the government has to treat everyone like children and put rules in place that deal with the most stupid, ignorant, selfish behaviour.

Your first point: if restaurants are shut then hotels should have been restricting meals to residents. If restaurants are shut people should realise that means no eating out.  Two groups at fault here, not the government.

Schools: they are not ‘half closed’. The message is clear enough. The problem is people not taking personal responsibility and trying to avoid being inconvenienced.

These measures can’t work unless people take personal responsibility. There aren’t enough police or army personnel to enforce rules that people are determined to flout.

TBH this blame game is starting to annoy me.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

The UK is doing things differently - they are still only testing hospitalised patients and then NHS staff (which is important). This is deliberate policy to keep the reported numbers down.

My son-in-law is a local GP as you know - his mother who lives in Bridgenorth came down with COVID-19 (she is 70 years old) - was her own fault - she carried on as normal despite her own son telling her not to and it appears she picked up the virus from the gym. Anyhow, the point is this - she is self isolating at home, she is poorly and has all the symptoms, but does not require hospitalisation and despite her own son being a GP, she has not been tested - naturally, my son-in-law cannot visit himself, since he needs to avoid catching the virus if at all possible, given his job.

So, if the mother of a GP has it and is not tested because she is not sick enough to go to hospital, that tells you all you need to know.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

What you and a few others are saying is that the government has to treat everyone like children and put rules in place that deal with the most stupid, ignorant, selfish behaviour.

Your first point: if restaurants are shut then hotels should have been restricting meals to residents. If restaurants are shut people should realise that means no eating out.  Two groups at fault here, not the government.

Schools: they are not ‘half closed’. The message is clear enough. The problem is people not taking personal responsibility and trying to avoid being inconvenienced.

These measures can’t work unless people take personal responsibility. There aren’t enough police or army personnel to enforce rules that people are determined to flout.

TBH this blame game is starting to annoy me.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

At the moment we are still at this stage

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

This is very disturbing. If the virus has its worst effects on known vulnerable groups, then you can to a large extent isolate those most at risk. However, if younger and generally fit people are at risk, that is a complete game changer. Example from the Telegraph:

"A staff nurse in a Walsall hospital is fighting for her life after contracting coronavirus.

Mother of three Areema Nasreen, who has no underlying health issues, is critically ill in the intensive care unit (ICU) at Walsall Manor, the hospital in which she has worked for the last 16 years.

Areema first developed symptoms ten days ago, suffering body aches followed by a soaring temperature and cough. Two days ago tests revealed she was positive for the severe respiratory illness.

Her sister, Kazeema, said the family are “heartbroken” but she praised the staff at Walsall Manor Hospital who have gone “above and beyond '' in their care, according to BirminghamLive.

Areema, 36 qualified as a staff nurse in January last year having started at the Walsall Manor Hospital as a housekeeper.

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Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Good! You can't blame people for going to hotel restaurants if they are legally open and you can't blame their management for doing this. It's the fault of the fcking government.

European governments are not treating their citizens like children, they say this is a public health emergency and they order them to change their lifestyles.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

I wish her a speedy recovery. 

However, that does not mean the UK's tasting regime isn't a shambles. It clearly is. I think you have a Times subscription. If you do then read the coverage today. A lot of it is critical of Johnson and the UK's response. It also highlights major problems with NHS equipment levels and quality. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

If you're in a school, you're fair game. You don't need to be qualified, other than having a DBS check and deemed suitable by the Head.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Of course you can.

Why do adults need to be spoonfed all the time? Why is it that people literally need the threat of prison before they stop engaging in sociopathic behaviour. Alot of people need to really grow some balls and stop acting in a way that is detrimental to the functioning of the society they are a part of.

Its clear we do need to treat the plebs like children because they are acting like children in a way the E asians are not.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

As always there will be more responsible people and there are more selfish people, it happens everywhere and always. (it even happened here during the Blitz). It's the state that is making it possible for the more selfish to continue doing what they are doing.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

My generation is a total waste of space. They cry constantly about non issues and then prove themselves to be utterly worthless in a crisis when literally all you have to do is nothing to make it all go away.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

And to be clear my Ire is not directed towards those that have no other choice to go into work or shopping e.c.t. But those that flock to buy flowers in a packed market on a saturday afternoon.

Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

On this statistic:

Coronavirus Cases: 341,760

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum