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Brian Gaze
23 March 2020 18:55:33

The most alarming news from the UK is that it appears we are still struggling to do more than 5000 to 6000 tests per day. I thought we were supposed to be at 10k by now and 25k shortly. 


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Quantum
23 March 2020 18:56:29


I wonder if it’s due to the time it takes for test results to come back. Some health authorities might take longer than others. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Perhaps but it would mean a systematic delay on the order of about a week.


Alternatively are PHE not testing the right people such that the positive ratio (about 10-20% atm) is too low?


 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
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Gooner
23 March 2020 18:57:10


 


It wasn’t that 4 out of 5 will get it; it was that around 4 out of 5 need to get it to reach that herd immunity threshold. That can’t change if it’s the scientific assessment based on the R0 value; the issue is how we get there and how long it can be delayed. Hence the need for a vaccine; any other solution means a very long, very disruptive, very unpleasant and very expensive journey.


 


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Caz
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23 March 2020 19:01:34


 


If we as a nation were blind as to what was going on in Europe, and no actions were being taken by the Government, then yes, we'd be in exponential growth. Compared to Italy who had no precedent for what was going on, other than China and Iran which don't really compare to European culture.


I think the nation as a whole woke up to the threat nearly 2 weeks ago, when the numbers started getting big. In the week before last, although I had to travel for work on 4 out of the 5 week days, one of which was to London, I was washing my hands so often that my knuckles were getting sore. I was also consciously keeping my distance from anyone nearby, opening door handles without touching them, etc. At the end of that week, my company told us all to cancel all site visits and work from home. That was 10 days ago.


Of course we've seen the pictures of the busy parks and beaches, the full tubes, etc. ... but that probably only involved a minority of the population. I would guess that the majority of us, particularly those aged 40 and above, have been a lot more careful and are becoming more careful since, which would significantly dampen down the exponential growth.


We haven't reached a peak yet; I'm sure that the daily number of cases will rise for the next 2 weeks or so, but not exponentially. The daily death count will rise for the next 3-4 weeks because there is a lag.


I'm not sure how you can have a model to predict what will happen if it doesn't include external factors (media reports, government actions) as input?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 

That’s pretty much what I was thinking.  We had the benefit of seeing Italy’s misfortune and were already taking personal precautions.


Added to that, we had the NHS 111 Covid service from early February, followed by testing pods in mid February.  I know these paled into insignificance, but they were there early on. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
23 March 2020 19:01:50


The most alarming news from the UK is that it appears we are still struggling to do more than 5000 to 6000 tests per day. I thought we were supposed to be at 10k by now and 25k shortly. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The irony is Brian. The PM last week insisted we can get to 250,000 test. Shambles.


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Caz
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23 March 2020 19:05:17


 


Sorry , yes you are correct  BUT maybe the virus hasn't got its act together yet ? 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Or maybe it’s mutated into something less potent!  I doubt that though. I think we’ve yet to see the peak. 


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Gavin D
23 March 2020 19:07:14

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 



  • Daily confirmed Cases - 967 (+302)

  • Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03)

  • Total UK deaths - 335 (+54)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Hampshire: 171

  2. Southwark: 154

  3. Brent: 143

  4. Birmingham: 137

  5. Lambeth: 134

  6. Westminster: 134

  7. Hertfordshire: 115

  8. Harrow: 113

  9. Wandsworth: 113

  10. Cumbria: 110


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Blackburn with Darwen: 1

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 1

  • North East Lincolnshire: 1

  • Isle of Wight: 2

  • Hartlepool: 3

  • Middlesbrough: 3

  • Redcar and Cleveland: 3

  • Darlington: 3

  • North Lincolnshire: 3

  • Telford and Wrekin: 3

  • Peterborough: 3

  • Bracknell Forest: 3


Regional data



  • London - 2,433 (+244)

  • Midlands - 808 (+184)

  • South East - 590 (+54)

  • North West - 496 (+106)

  • North East and Yorkshire - 446 (+78)

  • East of England - 351 (+77)

  • South West - 278 (+36)


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today.

xioni2
23 March 2020 19:07:18


 If we as a nation were blind as to what was going on in Europe, and no actions were being taken by the Government, then yes, we'd be in exponential growth. Compared to Italy who had no precedent for what was going on, other than China and Iran which don't really compare to European culture.


I think the nation as a whole woke up to the threat nearly 2 weeks ago, when the numbers started getting big. In the week before last, although I had to travel for work on 4 out of the 5 week days, one of which was to London, I was washing my hands so often that my knuckles were getting sore. I was also consciously keeping my distance from anyone nearby, opening door handles without touching them, etc. At the end of that week, my company told us all to cancel all site visits and work from home. That was 10 days ago.


Of course we've seen the pictures of the busy parks and beaches, the full tubes, etc. ... but that probably only involved a minority of the population. I would guess that the majority of us, particularly those aged 40 and above, have been a lot more careful and are becoming more careful since, which would significantly dampen down the exponential growth.


We haven't reached a peak yet; I'm sure that the daily number of cases will rise for the next 2 weeks or so, but not exponentially. The daily death count will rise for the next 3-4 weeks because there is a lag.


I'm not sure how you can have a model to predict what will happen if it doesn't include external factors (media reports, government actions) as input?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 Very sensible post. For all the talk of irresponsible people, there have also been many responsible people here who were ahead of the govt. They saw what happened in Italy and they changed their behaviour, both in terms of social distancing but also in terms of hygiene.

Gavin D
23 March 2020 19:08:18


The most alarming news from the UK is that it appears we are still struggling to do more than 5000 to 6000 tests per day. I thought we were supposed to be at 10k by now and 25k shortly. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Still only testing those in hospital. The lower the numbers the better probably at the moment from our hospitals point of view.

Caz
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23 March 2020 19:10:09


The most alarming news from the UK is that it appears we are still struggling to do more than 5000 to 6000 tests per day. I thought we were supposed to be at 10k by now and 25k shortly. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

We are only testing those admitted to hospital, so the fewer new admissions, the fewer we test and the better the news. 


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Maunder Minimum
23 March 2020 19:12:16


The most alarming news from the UK is that it appears we are still struggling to do more than 5000 to 6000 tests per day. I thought we were supposed to be at 10k by now and 25k shortly. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It is pointless testing people outside of healthcare professionals, those in essential occupations and those being hospitalised - the figures are entirely fictive now in any case. You would have to test everybody in the country to identify those who should self isolate because they are infectious - better to have general social distancing instead.


What will be of more interest, will be all those with antibodies - they will be those who have had the infection whether they knew it or not.


P.S. Terrible images from Spain tonight - they could end up worse than Italy because their healthcare systems are not as good.


 


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Gooner
23 March 2020 19:13:08

Just shows how behind info is N24 saying M Hancock says we are ramping up to 25,000 tests a day , yes Hancock said that a few days ago but how misleading for people watching 


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23 March 2020 19:18:02


Just shows how behind info is N24 saying M Hancock says we are ramping up to 25,000 tests a day , yes Hancock said that a few days ago but how misleading for people watching 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Totally agree. We managed one day of 8k and then it’s been at or around the 4-5k ever since. 


The key message is that nearly 40% of our positive cases have arrived in the last three days. That is a serious worry.


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warrenb
23 March 2020 19:20:52
The roads of Kent are quiet tonight apart from the huge queues around Mcdonald restaurants. Hearing news like that it makes yoy feel like what is the point. Even the DJ sounded exasperated by the whole thing.
Maunder Minimum
23 March 2020 19:22:43

The roads of Kent are quiet tonight apart from the huge queues around Mcdonald restaurants. Hearing news like that it makes yoy feel like what is the point. Even the DJ sounded exasperated by the whole thing.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Presumably drive through? That should not be a problem provided people stay in their cars. Sounds fine to me (except I don't like McDonald's personally).


 


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23 March 2020 19:32:15

Roads have been very quiet here for a few days. In fact I haven’t heard an emergency vehicle either for three days and we usually hear quite a lot going through.  It’s nice to be able to hear nothing but birdsong during the day and frogs croaking at night. 


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warrenb
23 March 2020 19:32:22


 


Presumably drive through? That should not be a problem provided people stay in their cars. Sounds fine to me (except I don't like McDonald's personally).


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I wasn't talking about the isolating issue, more rhe mentality of a largish part of the population the fact that in the current state of things their first thought is to get to Macdonalds before it shuts. They probably came straight from the beach.


Gandalf The White
23 March 2020 19:34:06

The roads of Kent are quiet tonight apart from the huge queues around Mcdonald restaurants. Hearing news like that it makes yoy feel like what is the point. Even the DJ sounded exasperated by the whole thing.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Isn't it the last day before they close down? Understandable in that case, even if slightly risky - but the likely age group should help.


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23 March 2020 19:35:49

Caz
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23 March 2020 19:37:41


 


I wasn't talking about the isolating issue, more rhe mentality of a largish part of the population the fact that in the current state of things their first thought is to get to Macdonalds before it shuts. They probably came straight from the beach.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Maybe with fast food outlets closed and people not being too busy commuting to work, home cooking healthy meals might make a come back. After all, they’ll need to use up their panic buying items!  


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Gavin D
23 March 2020 19:37:44
 Matalan are closing all stores from 6pm tomorrow until further notice
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23 March 2020 19:48:36
If it hasn't been mentioned already I believe Curry's PC World is closing as of today.
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Gavin D
23 March 2020 19:55:28

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23 March 2020 20:02:09

If it hasn't been mentioned already I believe Curry's PC World is closing as of today.

Originally Posted by: NMA 


Apparentley they were lobbying the government to ensure they stayed open as an essential service.


 


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Ulric
23 March 2020 20:06:50
I've just been for my evening walk and it's very quiet out there. Hardly any traffic and few pedestrians. The most noticeable sound was birdsong at sunset. What you can usually hear is aircraft and tyre noise from the bypass. The chip shop was open and three of the five Indian restaurants, all with tables outside where you can order and pay. My local is open and doing a roaring trade in take-away pizzas, again served from a big table outside the door. The two small convenience stores were both open but no customers in them as far as I could tell. Saw a couple of people getting off the train from London.

It is incredibly still outside now.
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