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DEW
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25 March 2020 06:44:46

Best wishes to all for today


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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Retron
25 March 2020 07:24:16
Today marked the end of my self-isolation - and as the cough has pretty much gone now, I drove across the Isle to Tesco, aiming to get there at about 6:30 (assuming the initial rush would have gone).

It had - and it was about 3 times busier than it would normally be at that time, perhaps 45 people in quite a large store. No problems getting hold of anything, although I did note the toilet roll aisle was empty still - goodness knows where people are squirreling the stuff away!

Beans and pasta were greatly reduced in number (not that I needed either), but the bread section was back to normal, including the "in store" baked stuff.

People were generally keeping their distance, too, although one guy moaned at the staff at the self-service checkout... it's a 3x2 layout and (sensibly) they'd closed the middle one of each row to preserve distance. The guy went to one (next to me) then berated the staff for having closed it.... dur, as if the signs and the big red "no entry" symbol on the display weren't enough clues!

Back at work (remotely) today, with the school seeing only a handful of staff in today. Happily for me, the Head has agreed that we can work from home for the foreseeable, aside from the odd "have to go in to fix" thing like a broken laptop.

The rota the school came up with, incidentally, goes out to late May! They also have cover arranged for Easter - schools will be open for vulnerable / key worker children, acting as a creche.
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Gooner
25 March 2020 07:33:27

Be interesting to see this mornings tube pics 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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DEW
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25 March 2020 07:42:01



The rota the school came up with, incidentally, goes out to late May! They also have cover arranged for Easter - schools will be open for vulnerable / key worker children, acting as a creche.

Originally Posted by: Retron 


They haven't been listening to Trump - he says it'll all be over by Easter! I wish!


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
Maunder Minimum
25 March 2020 07:56:24


Best wishes to all for today


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Thanks DEW - a nice sentiment.


We all want the best for everybody, but there are differences about the best way forward.


P.S. Iran is clearly engaged in a massive cover up of the true situation:


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/iran-rejects-foreign-virus-death-toll-nears-2000-200324202829056.html


"Islamic Republic alleges French medical charity MSF staff would serve as 'spies' if deployed on the ground in Iran.


Iran ruled out "foreign" help on the ground to deal with the coronavirus pandemic after an offer from a France-based medical charity, as the country's death toll from the contagion neared 2,000.


"Due to Iran's national mobilisation against the virus and the full use of the medical capacity of the armed forces, it is not necessary for now for hospital beds to be set up by foreign forces, and their presence is ruled out," Alireza Vahabzadeh, adviser to Iran's health minister, said on Tuesday.


..."


ROFL- MSF is not a spy organisation, this is clearly a massive cover-up!


New world order coming.
Ulric
25 March 2020 08:10:33
On my constitutional walk (had to drop off prescription request at GP) last night I noted the following businesses open.
1 pub - pre-ordered takeaway food only
2 convenience stores
Large Tesco and it's attached filling station
2 indian restaurants - pre-ordered takeaway food only
1 chip shop -takeaway food only
1 kebab shop -takeaway food only
1 pizza outlet -takeaway food only

Interestingly, some which were open the day before were closed and some which were closed were open.
The chinese takeaway has a sign on the door saying it's closed for a month.

Very few people about and almost no traffic. Everyone I encountered was courteous and kept their distance, allowing me to do the same.
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 08:13:19

Despite what some have said, the UK's test regime doesn't appear at all impressive to me. Hopefully we'll get to the 10,000 per day at least this week. Germany has apparently done more than 3x as many as we have.


 


NHS anger as only 5,000 are tested for coronavirus


NHS chiefs are pressing to start testing key staff for coronavirus as they see no sign that the mass checks promised by the government are imminent.


Hospitals are already reporting serious gaps because doctors and nurses have to self-isolate if they or a family member get a cough or a fever. Although the government plans to roll out testing so they can return to work if they are clear, they are not currently automatically entitled to a check.


On Monday only 5,605 tests were carried out, despite labs having capacity for 7,500. Officials insist that 10,000 tests a day will be done by the end of this week.
....
Experts say the UK is lagging behind other countries in scaling up testing capacity, despite the World Health Organisation saying that mass testing is key to defeating coronavirus. South Korea has carried out more than 300,000 tests, Germany has topped 400,000, while Britain’s total stands at 84,000. Spain is now carrying out more than 15,000 tests a day.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/nhs-anger-as-only-5-000-are-tested-for-coronavirus-lhwn88xx7


 


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Maunder Minimum
25 March 2020 08:16:39

Testing cannot fix the problem now - but it is utterly mad if key NHS workers are not being routinely tested.


Western Europe is well beyond the stage where testing a few thousand more or less per day achieves anything at all, apart from for key workers and those hospitalised.


Anyhow, bye bye economy:



New world order coming.
Sevendust
25 March 2020 08:16:51

Got to Sainsbury's just after 6pm last night on my way home.


Reduced hours there now so it closes at 8pm


Had to compromise a bit but got some of what I needed


Usual shortages. Not sure why eggs are so popular though! 


Anyway, went for my exercise walk at 7.30pm and things were eerily quiet. Little traffic and very few people, even in the town which was quite pleasant :)

Ulric
25 March 2020 08:23:13


Testing cannot fix the problem now - but it is utterly mad if key NHS workers are not being routinely tested.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I wonder why that is?


 




To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Northern Sky
25 March 2020 08:25:30

I found out yesterday that we've got about 25 children in school. Staff have been put on a rota, 1 week on two weeks off. Because I work three days I 've been given the choice to work either three days then two weeks off or go in 1 day a week. I don't know which is best in terms of risk so I've gone for 1 day a week as at least it gets me out of the house for a day. 


First day back is tomorrow but I'll be at our other site sorting the outdoor stuff out on my own. Not back with the kids till next week. 

Gandalf The White
25 March 2020 08:29:18


I found out yesterday that we've got about 25 children in school. Staff have been put on a rota, 1 week on two weeks off. Because I work three days I 've been given the choice to work either three days then two weeks off or go in 1 day a week. I don't know which is best in terms of risk so I've gone for 1 day a week as at least it gets me out of the house for a day. 


First day back is tomorrow but I'll be at our other site sorting the outdoor stuff out on my own. Not back with the kids till next week. 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


That sounds like a good choice. Stay safe.


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Maunder Minimum
25 March 2020 08:31:30

Most countries are engaged in a massive cover-up - is this because they don't want to frighten the public?


This is reported on the BBC this morning with regards to India:


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52026908


 


“Up until Monday morning, India had tested 18,383 samples. A total of 1,338 samples have been tested on an average per day in the last five days, according to the health ministry. India has a capacity to test 12,000 samples a day.


It’s still a bit of a mystery why India continues to test below its capacity. One reason is that the government believes there has been no community transmission yet.


But this claim sounds disingenuous given some of the frightful pandemic projections: one widely cited study says India could be dealing with about 300 million cases of which four to five million could be severe.”


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 08:32:31

This really makes no sense at all to me and it hasn't been peer reviewed. Obviously I'm neither a statistician or an epidemiologist but it just seems so counter intuitive when death rates in different countries (inc the UK) are considered. Hopefully we'll start getting antibody screening results from some countries.


Oxford University researchers said yesterday that half of Britain might have already contracted coronavirus since January and that testing was urgently needed to discover how many people had acquired immunity to it.


Professor Sunetra Gupta, whose conclusions have not yet been peer- reviewed, said: “It is possible that this ends with a whimper not a bang — we need to know.”


 


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/call-for-army-of-volunteers-in-fight-against-coronavirus-jf9l6q95d


 


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four
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25 March 2020 08:40:05
Finally that's gaining traction.
Very interesting comments after the same story in FT (yesterday thread)
Maunder Minimum
25 March 2020 08:40:40

All governments are lying to their people, some more than others. Could be to prevent panic and could be for other reasons. Truth is the first casualty when systems come under stress. Where India is concerned, preventing mass panic is obviously key:


"...


There has been no confirmed corona case in Pratapgarh yet, but people are worried because of the appalling state of the healthcare infrastructure there.


There is no testing facility for the coronavirus in the entire district and the government-run hospital there has one ventilator for a population of more than 3.2 million.


..."


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 08:46:45

Finally that's gaining traction.
Very interesting comments after the same story in FT (yesterday thread)


Originally Posted by: four 


It just emphasises the need for antibody testing. If you Google it you will see there are more companies (inc some in UK) allegedly developing antibody tests than there are cases of corona. One does wonder why there are still no randomised sample data sets available. 


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Ulric
25 March 2020 08:46:58
Heard of the first death amongst "friends of friends" yesterday. Self isolation is becoming more common.
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Ulric
25 March 2020 08:48:22


All governments are lying to their people, some more than others.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Ask Boris where the £350m a week is. See if he lies to you.


It sure would come in handy right about now.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Maunder Minimum
25 March 2020 08:49:25

The Times is reporting that around 1 in 6 in ICU are younger people without "underlying conditions".


However, talking to my son-in-law, there is a fairly common factor for younger people with severe symptoms - BMI.


That might explain why New York is seeing 20% of cases in younger people there.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 08:53:55


The Times is reporting that around 1 in 6 in ICU are younger people without "underlying conditions".


However, talking to my son-in-law, there is a fairly common factor for younger people with severe symptoms - BMI.


That might explain why New York is seeing 20% of cases in younger people there.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I assume overweight and particularly obese people. One thing I've noticed recently is that my weight has been going up a little because I am becoming less active and have not started eating less to offset. That's despite having a decent garden and doing some work in it. Therefore people living in small flats must be in a real pickle on this score. 


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Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 08:58:55

Ouch...very sneaky by the government




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RobN
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25 March 2020 09:01:25


This really makes no sense at all to me and it hasn't been peer reviewed. Obviously I'm neither a statistician or an epidemiologist but it just seems so counter intuitive when death rates in different countries (inc the UK) are considered. Hopefully we'll start getting antibody screening results from some countries.


Oxford University researchers said yesterday that half of Britain might have already contracted coronavirus since January and that testing was urgently needed to discover how many people had acquired immunity to it.


Professor Sunetra Gupta, whose conclusions have not yet been peer- reviewed, said: “It is possible that this ends with a whimper not a bang — we need to know.”


 


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/call-for-army-of-volunteers-in-fight-against-coronavirus-jf9l6q95d


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I can't see these articles as they are behind paywalls. However, I'm deeply sceptical. If half of Britain had already contracted coronavirus (and presumably recovered) we'd be approaching the holy grail of herd immunity now and we would not be seeing an escalating death rate.


Rob
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Gandalf The White
25 March 2020 09:03:15


The Times is reporting that around 1 in 6 in ICU are younger people without "underlying conditions".


However, talking to my son-in-law, there is a fairly common factor for younger people with severe symptoms - BMI.


That might explain why New York is seeing 20% of cases in younger people there.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


BMI too high, I assume; not too low?


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Maunder Minimum
25 March 2020 09:08:24


 


 


BMI too high, I assume; not too low?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Naturally.


Just been searching and found this:


https://www.ibtimes.com/covid-19-warning-being-overweight-or-obese-ups-your-risk-dying-coronavirus-2945433


"But, a recent NHS survey suggested that over 60% of COVID-19 patients under intensive care are either overweight or morbidly obese."


New world order coming.

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