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Gavin D
25 March 2020 09:08:57

xioni2
25 March 2020 09:13:59

Finally that's gaining traction.
Very interesting comments after the same story in FT (yesterday thread)

Originally Posted by: four 


It's more likely to be modelling garbage. We'd have seen more deaths and ICU admissions in February if that was the case.


 

chelseagirl
25 March 2020 09:17:51


 


I assume overweight and particularly obese people. One thing I've noticed recently is that my weight has been going up a little because I am becoming less active and have not started eating less to offset. That's despite having a decent garden and doing some work in it. Therefore people living in small flats must be in a real pickle on this score. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Also this may be contributing to lower numbers in Germany. Son lives there, whenever I visit I hardly ever see anyone obese in Stuttgart. 


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Phil G
25 March 2020 09:24:22


 


I assume overweight and particularly obese people. One thing I've noticed recently is that my weight has been going up a little because I am becoming less active and have not started eating less to offset. That's despite having a decent garden and doing some work in it. Therefore people living in small flats must be in a real pickle on this score. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I wondered about this. The sitting around getting bored is going to encourage more eating with little or no exercise. Suggests we will have more health conditions after we come out of this nightmare and as a result of this.

four
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25 March 2020 09:27:53


 


I can't see these articles as they are behind paywalls. However, I'm deeply sceptical. If half of Britain had already contracted coronavirus (and presumably recovered) we'd be approaching the holy grail of herd immunity now and we would not be seeing an escalating death rate.


Originally Posted by: RobN 



They are based on this paper (pdf)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxmu2rwsnhi9j9c/Draft-COVID-19-Model%20%2813%29.pdf?dl=0


Maunder Minimum
25 March 2020 09:29:06


 


I wondered about this. The sitting around getting bored is going to encourage more eating with little or no exercise. Suggests we will have more health conditions after we come out of this nightmare and as a result of this.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Cycling and walking need to be encouraged - perfectly possible to be out in the fresh air whilst keeping a few yards distance from others. Don't really understand why they have an edict about going out once per day.


 


New world order coming.
Gavin D
25 March 2020 09:30:32
The Government have announced a 6-month MOT exception for all vehicle owners. Vehicles must be kept roadworthy and garages will remain open for essential repair work. Drivers could still be prosecuted if a vehicle is found to be on the road and unsafe.
Heavy Weather 2013
25 March 2020 09:35:56

Things are no starting to hit home significantly now.


We have just had an email from the business asking us to use 80% of our annual leave before the 31 May 2020.


That will leave me with five days left for 6 months.


 


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Gandalf The White
25 March 2020 09:37:21

Just listened to a fascinating programme on R4 - More or Less - which was focussing on Covid-19

A selection of interesting points:

1. The mortality rate by age apparently exactly matches the normal mortality profile; what is happening, in effect, is that deaths that probably would have happened (at a macro level) are being brought forward

2. From various pieces of data coming from Iran the number of cases is likely to be 'an order of magnitude or two' higher than what they're reporting, so potentially hundreds of thousands, maybe a million.

3. The government borrowing figure for the year is likely to be around £150 billion, much the same as during the financial crisis; a combination of sharply lower tax revenues and the swathe of measures introduced.


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warrenb
25 March 2020 09:38:40


 


Cycling and walking need to be encouraged - perfectly possible to be out in the fresh air whilst keeping a few yards distance from others. Don't really understand why they have an edict about going out once per day.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Completely agree. We are still going for our walk in the morning before work and observing a 2 metre rule. It has not been an issue at all.


Gandalf The White
25 March 2020 09:40:53


 


I wondered about this. The sitting around getting bored is going to encourage more eating with little or no exercise. Suggests we will have more health conditions after we come out of this nightmare and as a result of this.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Surely with all the free time people will now have there's even more opportunity than usual to take exercise? You can walk, jog, cycle. In the house you can do sit ups and a range of activities. You could even just run up and down the stairs twenty times (or more).


I think it's an attitude of mind. Of course slumping in front of the TV or computer or whatever is easier.


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xioni2
25 March 2020 09:48:26


 Surely with all the free time people will now have there's even more opportunity than usual to take exercise? You can walk, jog, cycle. In the house you can do sit ups and a range of activities. You could even just run up and down the stairs twenty times (or more).


I think it's an attitude of mind. Of course slumping in front of the TV or computer or whatever is easier.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



Many people will probably come out of this healthier.

Gooner
25 March 2020 09:51:01


I wish people would stop using the word " lockdown" because it isn't really ,tens of  thousands of people in the manufacturing and construction industry are still working side by side 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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chelseagirl
25 March 2020 09:51:18


 


Cycling and walking need to be encouraged - perfectly possible to be out in the fresh air whilst keeping a few yards distance from others. Don't really understand why they have an edict about going out once per day.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Dont get much choice here. Dog sits right in front of me (or the TV) and stares intently until I give in.


The Fenlands of Cambridgeshire
Essan
25 March 2020 09:58:50


 


Surely with all the free time people will now have there's even more opportunity than usual to take exercise? You can walk, jog, cycle. In the house you can do sit ups and a range of activities. You could even just run up and down the stairs twenty times (or more).


I think it's an attitude of mind. Of course slumping in front of the TV or computer or whatever is easier.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



Indeed, I expect to lose weight (I eat less when at home as I am not snacking all day, as I do at work) and get fitter (walking, gardening and decorating + using my exercise bike daily - not as though I have any excuse not to!)


Andy
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Phil G
25 March 2020 10:01:45


 



Many people will probably come out of this healthier.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes which is great, but I also expect many will come out of this unhealthier with conditions. Further pressure on the NHS.

Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 10:03:35


 


Surely with all the free time people will now have there's even more opportunity than usual to take exercise? You can walk, jog, cycle. In the house you can do sit ups and a range of activities. You could even just run up and down the stairs twenty times (or more).


I think it's an attitude of mind. Of course slumping in front of the TV or computer or whatever is easier.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Think it depends on circumstances. I used to live in a flat in West Hampstead which is a decent part of NW London. If I was there now I would be afraid to go out because a) it would be impossible to maintain social distancing b) the infection rate in NW seems particularly high


 


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ozone_aurora
25 March 2020 10:06:07

I think it's probably a good time to diet!

Essan
25 March 2020 10:08:54

No wonder the monkey's confused*

Two side by side headlines on the Daily Fail website:

Scientists say coronavirus is NOT mutating quickly


Scientists in Iceland claim they have found FORTY mutations of the coronavirus






* it's a line from a Roger Water's song 


Andy
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xioni2
25 March 2020 10:13:42

The Germans have started attributing their relatively low number of deaths to widespread testing. This is in line with what happened in Asian countries outside of Hubei.


"As to why there is a relatively low death rate in Germany (officially 146 deaths, and over 31,500 infections, according to RKI figures), Wieler said it was due to the fact Germany had tested widely from the start, and was able to detect the virus earlier, and many milder cases were discovered.


In addition as yet, fewer older people in Germany have been infected, he said.


Wieler said “we are at the beginning of this epidemic” and the number of deaths would rise. “It is still completely unclear how this epidemic will develop,” he said."

Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 10:23:20


The Germans have started attributing their relatively low number of deaths to widespread testing. This is in line with what happened in Asian countries outside of Hubei.


"As to why there is a relatively low death rate in Germany (officially 146 deaths, and over 31,500 infections, according to RKI figures), Wieler said it was due to the fact Germany had tested widely from the start, and was able to detect the virus earlier, and many milder cases were discovered.


In addition as yet, fewer older people in Germany have been infected, he said.


Wieler said “we are at the beginning of this epidemic” and the number of deaths would rise. “It is still completely unclear how this epidemic will develop,” he said."


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I'm a bit puzzled. Have the Germans been doing a lot of testing for weeks or have they just started? I thought a couple of weeks ago Britain was supposed to be leading the way in Europe. All of a sudden it turns out the Germans have done more than 3x as many tests. I know their population is a bit bigger but not by anything like that.  


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Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 10:24:11

This morning apparently.



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Brian Gaze
25 March 2020 10:33:02

Virgin Media internet connection just starting to slow down. Only noticeable on upload at the moment which should be around 35 to 40Mbps.


 



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xioni2
25 March 2020 10:33:31


 I'm a bit puzzled. Have the Germans been doing a lot of testing for weeks or have they just started? I thought a couple of weeks ago Britain was supposed to be leading the way in Europe. All of a sudden it turns out the Germans have done more than 3x as many tests. I know their population is a but bigger but not by anything like that.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I haven't really followed Germany, but my understanding is that earlier on some of their numbers were not total/complete, as they have a federal system. Apparently now every doctor (even 'GPs') can test for covid if you have fever and/or coughing.

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