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Gandalf The White
30 March 2020 10:11:03


 


Its strange how he has come to that conclusion. I understood that we were only testing those in hospital. And new cases have surged in recent days.


The messaging over the last 5 days has been very confusion it’s hard to get a clear picture of what’s going on. Only yesterday we had the deputy CMO that measures could still be in place for months. Why would she say this if admissions were slowing down.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Perhaps because the data show that cases are slowing down.



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Brian Gaze
30 March 2020 10:12:09

Shouldn't this tester be wearing an FFP3 mask? She seems to be wearing a surgical mask. I think longer gloves are also recommended.


(source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/30/uk-coronavirus-live-rate-infection-lockdown-covid-19)



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30 March 2020 10:13:24

Obviously 'essential' means different things to different people. I have just returned from Weymouth after fitting new tyre and buying essentials at ASDA. First time out since last Monday.


On the way back passed someone towing a speedboat to who knows where.


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Gavin D
30 March 2020 10:14:23
Of the 190 deaths announced yesterday in England one was backdated to March 16th whilst dozens of other deaths occurred earlier last week
Gavin D
30 March 2020 10:17:25
New global cases were down 10% on Sunday to 59,232 from Saturday's total of 65,155

Global deaths also fell to 3,105 from 3,518 on Saturday
Gandalf The White
30 March 2020 10:21:26


 


You have to allow the measures time to depress infection rates to levels where it is safe to lift restrictions. That takes time.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Exactly so. With an incubation period of typically 7-14 days we need to wait for a couple of weeks to see the possible impact of any changes. I think what we're seeing now may reflect the precautions and changed behaviours of individuals before the government edict last week. 


The same will apply on the way out of this: a gradual easing followed by a period to assess the impact. I think that might be the more difficult, protracted period because people will have been through weeks of severe restrictions and there must be a risk of a collective sigh of relief and too many people trying to return to normality.


It seems likely that controls on events where large numbers gather could continue for quite some time. Maybe allowing more shops to open but with tight controls over how many are allowed in a shop at any one time and re-opening parks and public spaces, again with some controls.  Somehow I can't see large numbers being allowed at sporting events for some time after the rules start to be eased.


Looking further ahead, with the virus likely to be raging through other parts of the world such as the Indian Subcontinent and Africa, controls on movement are likely to remain for a very long time.


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Gavin D
30 March 2020 10:23:49
Spain have announced 5,085 new cases and 537 new deaths

That's a fall in new cases and deaths when compared to the same 12-hour period to Sunday morning

New cases are down 477 whilst new deaths have fallen by 9
Heavy Weather 2013
30 March 2020 10:26:07

Spain have announced 5,085 new cases and 537 new deaths

That's a fall in new cases and deaths when compared to the same 12-hour period to Sunday morning

New cases are down 477 whilst new deaths have fallen by 9

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


This was from the BBC earlier:


Spain has reported 812 new deaths related to coronavirus since Sunday.


Authorities said nearly 6,400 more people have also been infected.


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30 March 2020 10:30:09


No. It was cancelled two days beforehand. Suspect that I will be waiting for at least 12 months now - can't even go private because private hospitals have been nationalised effectively. Hope your hubby is bearing up.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 

Really sorry to hear that!  


Hubby’s OK thanks!  His symptoms are no worse but there’s the worry of not knowing what this thing inside him is doing!  He also considered going private for his surgery, but as you say, that isn’t an option now.  We live with the thought that others are worse off than us, so we shouldn’t complain!  


It is a bit ironic that we’ve worked all our lives into our sixties, with no illness or injury and never having real need for the NHS until now, when everyone else needs it too!  Sod’s law!  


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Maunder Minimum
30 March 2020 10:36:04

New global cases were down 10% on Sunday to 59,232 from Saturday's total of 65,155

Global deaths also fell to 3,105 from 3,518 on Saturday

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Those might be the official stats, but they bear no relationship whatsoever to reality worldwide. The contagion is ripping through Pakistan for example, but because their test rates are so low and their health systems so creaking, there is no reliable value for the numbers. Same goes for rest of Indian sub-continent.


The big unknown is Africa - South Africa and Zimbabwe are known hotspots, but getting reliable date from across the continent is almost impossible.


It will be a couple of years before a more realistic assessment can be made - in the meantime, treat official figures from anywhere as purely indicative of trends.


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30 March 2020 10:40:28

It seems I’ve just had a call to arms.  The company I work for has taken on a contract to assemble visors for the NHS.  They phoned to say I am no longer furloughed as I’m needed to work, starting tomorrow.  Had it been to do anything else, I’d refuse, but as it’s providing the much needed PPE for the NHS, I’d be really pleased to do this.  


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30 March 2020 10:44:32


It seems I’ve just had a call to arms.  The company I work for has taken on a contract to assemble visors for the NHS.  They phoned to say I am no longer furloughed as I’m needed to work, starting tomorrow.  Had it been to do anything else, I’d refuse, but as it’s providing the much needed PPE for the NHS, I’d be really pleased to do this.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 



Essential work.


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Brian Gaze
30 March 2020 10:52:54

An important point made here which the UK should consider when the future of the NHS comes up for discussion. In bold:


Certain medical factors support this argument. High testing rates do not just help authorities monitor coronavirus’s spread but also help them fight its lethality: by quarantining people who have or may have the virus, by shielding the most vulnerable and by getting medical attention to people early to increase their chances of survival. Thanks partly to [Germany's] its decentralised health system (where providers can get on with things on their own initiative)


Germany was able to introduce testing and contact-tracing in early February and ramp up the measures quickly. “Germany recognised its own outbreak very early on,” Christian Drosten, a top virologist, tells Die Zeit newspaper: “We’re two or three weeks ahead of some of our neighbours.” And Berlin wants to continue expanding testing. A leaked confidential paper from the federal interior ministry, which has apparently been presented to Spahn and Angela Merkel, proposes adopting the South Korean model of mass testing and increasing the rate to 200,000 a day by the end of April.


https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/03/why-are-germany-and-austria-s-coronavirus-death-rates-so-low


 


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Brian Gaze
30 March 2020 10:54:56


 


No. It was cancelled two days beforehand. Suspect that I will be waiting for at least 12 months now - can't even go private because private hospitals have been nationalised effectively. Hope your hubby is bearing up.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 Sorry to hear that. 


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30 March 2020 10:55:39


 



Essential work.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

At first I thought it strange that a printing company would be doing something like this.  But thinking about it, we have guillotines and die cutting machines, so it does make sense.  I don’t have all the details yet, but I’ve put it to the directors, that this can possibly be done at home.  It seems there are hundreds of thousands to be made. 


It goes to show that we do have the means to produce many things we’d usually import.  Companies can diversify with a little imagination.  This could be a lesson in how to think outside the box!   


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Gavin D
30 March 2020 10:58:10


 This was from the BBC earlier:


Spain has reported 812 new deaths related to coronavirus since Sunday.


Authorities said nearly 6,400 more people have also been infected.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


Spain report data every 12 hours. 

Justin W
30 March 2020 11:12:17


It seems I’ve just had a call to arms.  The company I work for has taken on a contract to assemble visors for the NHS.  They phoned to say I am no longer furloughed as I’m needed to work, starting tomorrow.  Had it been to do anything else, I’d refuse, but as it’s providing the much needed PPE for the NHS, I’d be really pleased to do this.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I have just raised my cup of coffee to you, Caz. I salute you.



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Maunder Minimum
30 March 2020 11:21:59


An important point made here which the UK should consider when the future of the NHS comes up for discussion. In bold:


Certain medical factors support this argument. High testing rates do not just help authorities monitor coronavirus’s spread but also help them fight its lethality: by quarantining people who have or may have the virus, by shielding the most vulnerable and by getting medical attention to people early to increase their chances of survival. Thanks partly to [Germany's] its decentralised health system (where providers can get on with things on their own initiative)


Germany was able to introduce testing and contact-tracing in early February and ramp up the measures quickly. “Germany recognised its own outbreak very early on,” Christian Drosten, a top virologist, tells Die Zeit newspaper: “We’re two or three weeks ahead of some of our neighbours.” And Berlin wants to continue expanding testing. A leaked confidential paper from the federal interior ministry, which has apparently been presented to Spahn and Angela Merkel, proposes adopting the South Korean model of mass testing and increasing the rate to 200,000 a day by the end of April.


https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2020/03/why-are-germany-and-austria-s-coronavirus-death-rates-so-low


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Not having an NHS could be an advantage - Germany uses the social insurance model.


But if Germany decides to go down the South Korean route of containment and contact tracing, it means they will have to adopt South Korean levels of border control, which goes against the grain for Merkel and her government. You cannot both contain the virus and have open borders with freedom of movement - it really is either/or.


 


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warrenb
30 March 2020 11:36:17
Well if you are fit and healthy I would urge people to login to blood.co.uk and book an appointment to give blood. Stocks are being depleted quickly and with people isolating stocks are very low. This is classed as essential travel.
Gavin D
30 March 2020 11:38:04
Prince Charles is out of self-isolation after seven days having recovered from Coronavirus.
Gavin D
30 March 2020 11:44:46
Scotland have announced 6 new deaths taking the total to 47
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30 March 2020 11:49:48

Well if you are fit and healthy I would urge people to login to blood.co.uk and book an appointment to give blood. Stocks are being depleted quickly and with people isolating stocks are very low. This is classed as essential travel.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Yes!  Always book an appointment! 


We went to blood donors last Tuesday. Hubby got the last available appointment online and sadly, I missed out but I went along with him as usual, hoping I might get a cancellation with people self isolating.  They couldn’t fit me in though, as they’d only got seven staff on duty due to some self isolating and they’d already cancelled some appointments.  


I sat outside in the sunshine, on a grassy bank and waited for hubby to do something amazing!  


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30 March 2020 11:53:32


It seems I’ve just had a call to arms.  The company I work for has taken on a contract to assemble visors for the NHS.  They phoned to say I am no longer furloughed as I’m needed to work, starting tomorrow.  Had it been to do anything else, I’d refuse, but as it’s providing the much needed PPE for the NHS, I’d be really pleased to do this.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 



Good stuff Caz, just be extra careful and stay safe.

doctormog
30 March 2020 11:55:43

There is actually a surprisingly good stock of blood in Scotland currently, enough for 11 days in my blood group (with the target to keep levels having a 6 day supply). I am going to hold off until the supplies become more depleted so I can maximise the benefit of my donation.


Good stuff re. your work Caz and thanks.


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30 March 2020 11:56:36


 


I have just raised my cup of coffee to you, Caz. I salute you.



Originally Posted by: Justin W 

Thanks!  But I’m sure you’d all do the same, given the opportunity.  I just feel honoured to do it and I think I’ll be working in far better conditions than the women who worked in munitions factories!  


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