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Caz
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03 April 2020 16:43:26


Italy have reported 4,585 new cases and 766 new deaths



  • New cases down 83

  • New deaths up 6


Changes with yesterday


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

They seem to be on the right side of the curve now!  
How many days have their new cases been going down now?


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David M Porter
03 April 2020 16:57:46


They seem to be on the right side of the curve now!  
How many days have their new cases been going down now?


Originally Posted by: Caz 


If I have understood the reports from Italy correctly, while the situation there is still far from good things do seems to be calming down at least a bit there now compared to what had been the case recently.


It could be that the strict lockdown & social distancing measures in place there are now starting to have some effect in terms of slowing the thing down; let's hope that the same thing starts to happen in the UK soon.


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xioni2
03 April 2020 17:00:37

Jonathan Van Tam is a very impressive speaker - one of the few experts that’s genuinely filled me with confidence in all this.

Originally Posted by: John p 


He did come across better than his chief. 

Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 17:01:10

I'm told there has been a big police operation to move people who have driven up to Ashridge this afternoon. The weekend and warm weather haven't even started yet.


https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/ashridge-estate 


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Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 17:03:19

Surprised no one has commented on this yet:


He [Hancock]  says no G7 country has found a home antibody test that works yet, "but we continue to search for one".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52146227


 


 


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Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 17:08:51

Van Tam contradicts what has been said previously. Absolutely staggering. 


'We will stick with the science and see
Contrary to previous briefings from within Government, Prof Van Tam said it still too early to say when the peak of the coronavirus outbreak is expected:


“We don’t know the answer to that just yet. We have always said that we will know when our social distancing measures have worked in a few weeks.


"It is too early to say.


"We will not take any premature actions but we will stick with the science and see.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-tests-deaths-nhs-nightingale-hospital/


 


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doctormog
03 April 2020 17:13:54


Van Tam contradicts what has been said previously. Absolutely staggering. 


'We will stick with the science and see
Contrary to previous briefings from within Government, Prof Van Tam said it still too early to say when the peak of the coronavirus outbreak is expected:


“We don’t know the answer to that just yet. We have always said that we will know when our social distancing measures have worked in a few weeks.


"It is too early to say.


"We will not take any premature actions but we will stick with the science and see.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-tests-deaths-nhs-nightingale-hospital/


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Any prediction about a peak is only ever a best guess and cannot and must not be set in stone. Giving a definitive date rather than an estimate would be scientifically nonsensical.


Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 17:16:09


 


Any prediction about a peak is only ever a best guess and cannot and must not be set in stone. Giving a definitive date rather than an estimate would be scientifically nonsensical.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Absolutely. It makes one wonder why at previous briefings the experts have been more forthcoming. It just makes them look ridiculous. I would have thought they have been through media training.


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Bugglesgate
03 April 2020 17:18:12


I'm told there has been a big police operation to move people who have driven up to Ashridge this afternoon. The weekend and warm weather haven't even started yet.


https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/ashridge-estate 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


I can quite believe it !


On my afternoon perambulation it was pretty hectic.  Everyone was maintaining social distancing (more or less).  I had a 2M chat with the landowner who was seriously worried about the numbers and behaviour.  They are starting spraying this weekend and  people are wandering around all over the place like headless chicken and not sticking to the foot paths.   I know the ins and outs and  have trudged around the area for 2 decades.  In more normal times it's rare to see anyone and the few you do see are familiar faces who do similar trudges.  Because there is nothing else to do,  everyone is now going "for a nice walk".  Given the weather forecast for the weekend  I'll time shift to "sparrows fart"  I think and  give the village a wide berth.


 


 


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JHutch
03 April 2020 17:20:53


I wonder if anyone here knows what the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases there was within England back at the end of February/start of March. From what I read in one of Scotland's national daily papers earlier this week, the first confirmed case in Scotland wasn't until the beginning of March which was 4-5 weeks after the first case in England was confirmed.


While I cannot claim to be any kind of expert on this disease and its behaviour, I think it was probably the case that there was fairly widespread community transmission of the virus within England during February and before the government raised the alert.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Problems with this disease are that it is relatively easy to catch, has quite a long incubation period and some people show few if any symptoms. These give it the potential to spread rapidly below the radar before you realise that things are going tits-up and you may have a couple of weeks of exponential growth before any measures you take have an effect. I read the below story earlier on - assuming it is correct then its quite shocking given what we know now. Even worse is that although IMO the government was slow/complacent in the early stages, even what advice they did give was not always being followed. Its always easy in hindsight but surely more care should have been taken here.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/01/i-returned-thailand-january-with-fever-103-i-wasnt-tested-coronavirus/

westv
03 April 2020 17:26:49


Surprised no one has commented on this yet:


He [Hancock]  says no G7 country has found a home antibody test that works yet, "but we continue to search for one".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52146227


 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Isn't it true that there is still no reliable test?


At least it will be mild!
Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 17:29:33


 


Isn't it true that there is still no reliable test?


Originally Posted by: westv 


It could well be true but to me it sounds like Hancock now thinks one is still a way off. Even if one is approved next week it is hard to image scaling up tests massively before June. 


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Caz
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03 April 2020 17:31:09


 


If I have understood the reports from Italy correctly, while the situation there is still far from good things do seems to be calming down at least a bit there now compared to what had been the case recently.


It could be that the strict lockdown & social distancing measures in place there are now starting to have some effect in terms of slowing the thing down; let's hope that the same thing starts to happen in the UK soon.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

  Yes, let’s hope so!  


It’s encouraging but we have a way to go yet though.  I would think it will be another week or so before we see the results of social distancing.  Then our number of new cases should fall, then it’ll be another week before we see a lowering of death rates. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
03 April 2020 17:32:22

There was a group of louts failing to social distance on the grass opposite earlier. They were driving quad bikes and mini motorbikes. A police car drove straight on by.

I think the warm weather is going to prove to be disastrous. The government yet again will behind the curve. They should have locked down harder ahead of the weekend.

Proactive instead of reactive.


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Gooner
03 April 2020 17:35:41


 


As Caz said, the idea would be to increase significantly the number of home deliveries. As for you requiring to shop on Sundays, you'd have to adapt. There is no perfect solution anyway. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Which is why they should spread the shopping out otherwise you will get congestion , no everyone can just waltz out of work saying 


 


" just off to do the shopping "


 


To increase the home shopping is even harder and more expensive - take Iceland ( Banbury )  they employ two drivers and they struggle on a standard day , they need extra vans and drivers , not going to happen 


 


 


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xioni2
03 April 2020 17:36:21



I think the warm weather is going to prove to be disastrous. The government yet again will behind the curve. They should have locked down harder ahead of the weekend.

Proactive instead of reactive.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


You may well be right Mark. For the first time since the lockdown has started, I will not go out this weekend. I know I am lucky though to have a garden. 

xioni2
03 April 2020 17:37:29


 


Which is why they should spread the shopping out otherwise you will get congestion , no everyone can just waltz out of work saying 


" just off to do the shopping "


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


(for the 3rd time) the idea is to get your shopping delivered at your home. 

Gooner
03 April 2020 17:40:24


There was a group of louts failing to social distance on the grass opposite earlier. They were driving quad bikes and mini motorbikes. A police car drove straight on by.

I think the warm weather is going to prove to be disastrous. The government yet again will behind the curve. They should have locked down harder ahead of the weekend.

Proactive instead of reactive.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I'm with you Mark and with the weather forecast set fair and warmish in the coming week , its going to be tough , a harder lockdown is needed IMO


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springsunshine
03 April 2020 17:41:44


The point I was responding to was closing supermarkets on Sundays, during this crisis, so they can concentrate on getting home deliveries out on that day.  If they can do that, there should be fewer people out shopping during the week.  
However, I do appreciate there are still some people working long hours.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Closing supermarkets on a sunday would see mass panic buying and many would wrongly see that step as things really turning bad.If anything the sunday trading laws need to be suspended and supermarkets allowed to open normal hours on sunday.


As regard home deliveries how about deliveries around the clock 24/7 that would achieve more people getting a delivery rather than a few extra hours on a sunday.

Gooner
03 April 2020 17:42:30


 


(for the 3rd time) the idea is to get your shopping delivered at your home. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


And for the 4th time ………….not enough drivers and not enough vans , there has been a 400% increase in demand ………..theory and practice Im afraid , tell me where the extra drivers and vans are coming from .


Its not rocket science , are you  expecting the logistics to be set in place ………….not going to happen


 


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JHutch
03 April 2020 17:43:41

Not doing as well as other countries at not attending parks.


 



Gooner
03 April 2020 17:45:06


 


Closing supermarkets on a sunday would see mass panic buying and many would wrongly see that step as things really turning bad.If anything the sunday trading laws need to be suspended and supermarkets allowed to open normal hours on sunday.


As regard home deliveries how about deliveries around the clock 24/7 that would achieve more people getting a delivery rather than a few extra hours on a sunday.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Yep , fair shout , and you are correct shutting on Sundays would make things worse , its ok people saying ….adapt , well that's easy to type but very difficult to carry out 


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westv
03 April 2020 17:48:53


Not doing as well as other countries at not attending parks.


 




Originally Posted by: JHutch 


People in the UK are allowed to go out for exercise so why wouldn't they visit their local park?


At least it will be mild!
Caz
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03 April 2020 17:50:42


I wonder if anyone here knows what the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases there was within England back at the end of February/start of March. From what I read in one of Scotland's national daily papers earlier this week, the first confirmed case in Scotland wasn't until the beginning of March which was 4-5 weeks after the first case in England was confirmed.


While I cannot claim to be any kind of expert on this disease and its behaviour, I think it was probably the case that there was fairly widespread community transmission of the virus within England during February and before the government raised the alert.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Bear in mind that a lot of people travel across the world in late December/January either to be on holiday, or to come home for Christmas and Hogmanay.  Later in January/early February, the Chinese were getting home, or away to celebrate the Chinese New Year!  


So there was a lot of world travel, particularly to and from Asian countries, just at the time Covid19 was being recognised as dangerous and at a time when we Brits harbour colds and flu!  A lot of opportunities for it to spread, even unnoticed for a week or two!  


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llamedos
03 April 2020 17:56:01


 


And for the 4th time ………….not enough drivers and not enough vans , there has been a 400% increase in demand ………..theory and practice Im afraid , tell me where the extra drivers and vans are coming from .


Its not rocket science , are you  expecting the logistics to be set in place ………….not going to happen


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I agree Marcus. As I've continually pointed out the increased demand by all accounts is 10 fold. The infrastracture is simply not there. And FWIW nobody could have anticipated nor put provisions in place for this, given the lack of evidence that the would become such a nationwide problem 5 or 6 months ago, which is the time frame that would be necessary to build the delivery structure.  


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