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Caz
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07 April 2020 13:39:00


 


How would you put it, and which part were you referring to specifically 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

The ‘testicle’ bit!  


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fairweather
07 April 2020 13:39:20


 


Always an upside


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


....... unless you are elderly with underlying conditions. 


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John p
07 April 2020 13:39:43


 


How would you put it, and which part were you referring to specifically 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


First sentence contains an unfortunate ‘balls’ up 😉


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fairweather
07 April 2020 13:41:59


The UKs worst period so far with 854 deaths this marks the 3rd successive rise on a Tuesday after lower weekend numbers.



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


The strongest trend in that graph is probably that it's meaningless! Maybe replot it with one data point for each Monday and Tuesday averaged might help a bit.


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westv
07 April 2020 13:42:05


On a more serious note I was shaken yesterday as I mentioned in yesterdays thread. My ex wife lost a good friend yesterday to COVID 19, another friend shows symptoms and my ex wife is now showing feverish symptoms and is under house quarantine by her doctors orders. 


 


Originally Posted by: NMA 


Not good at all.


At least it will be mild!
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07 April 2020 13:42:08


 


How would you put it, and which part were you referring to specifically 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Tentacles Heavy Weather I think you meant.


Sorry they just jumped out at me when I read it. I assume you didn't mean testicles? 


 


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xioni2
07 April 2020 13:43:20


On a more serious note I was shaken yesterday as I mentioned in yesterdays thread. My ex wife lost a good friend yesterday to COVID 19, another friend shows symptoms and my ex wife is now showing feverish symptoms and is under house quarantine by her doctors orders. 


Originally Posted by: NMA 


Sorry to hear this Nick, there will be so many stories like yours. The ONS report finding double the mortality reported by the NHS  in the last week of March was also very worrying.

Heavy Weather 2013
07 April 2020 13:44:56


 


Tentacles Heavy Weather I think you meant.


Sorry they just jumped out at me when I read it. I assume you didn't mean testicles? 


 


Originally Posted by: NMA 




OMG yes I meant tentacles. How embarrasing


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xioni2
07 April 2020 13:45:40


As these figures are showing historic infections from before the lockdown they give a real insight into the rate of climb we  would most likely be seeing without it. 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Yes, you make an excellent point. If left unchecked the exponential nature of mortality would destroy society. 

howham
07 April 2020 13:53:00





OMG yes I meant tentacles. How embarrasing


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Thank God, I thought it was new symptom...

Caz
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07 April 2020 13:55:32


OMG yes I meant tentacles. How embarrasing


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

  Not at all!  We need a bit of light entertainment amongst the gloom and that made me laugh.  Thank you!  


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Maunder Minimum
07 April 2020 13:56:27

The virus loves religious types - they provide it with all the opportunities it needs (whatever the faith) - now we have the Bishop of Rochester urging the spread of the virus  (from the Telegraph):


"Open the churches for Easter – and give people hope





Michael Nazir-Ali shares on the profound psychological consequences of the lockdown and not being able to go to church. 


...


At the very least, we should be providing, rather than withdrawing, resources for strengthening and supporting people’s faith at this time. It is such a pity, then, that churches, and other places of worship, are not open for prayer. If it is true that church leaders themselves requested that they be closed down, now is the time to undo this mistake."


What he really means is: Open the churches for Easter – and give people COVID-19.


 





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fairweather
07 April 2020 13:56:38


 


My word, what a list of excuses. Seems you are using the blame game outside of China, unbelievable! They caused this. They dithered trying to keep this quiet. What we see now is a result of their practices and actions. Don't you try to blame anyone else, it's shameful.


Your last line "I don't think they have been worse than anybody else". This is their mess, they created it. They have been so quiet. If it had been us that had killed more than 75,000 to date we would have been on our knees in sorrow, saying it was unforgivable.


There has been nothing from China, that's unforgivable. The world should have them for manslaughter!


Yes China are dealing with it, bully for them. What have they left in their wake!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


So much for accurate evaluation and having an open mind!! You haven't even read my post. I started by saying what you say about the origins in China, how bad it is and action should be taken. I haven't one single time blamed anybody else. I have highlighted where others haven't been brilliant either. You can't even bring yourself to admit the shortcomings of the response from the USA and especially that their President has been appalling. God knows what you would have said if the Chinese leader had acted like that!!


Read what somebody actually says before laying into them. 


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07 April 2020 13:59:38


An unusually good piece from Lord Hague in the Tele today:


China is emerging from the coronavirus crisis as an even more powerful opponent


The West must take a firmer line, while recognising that the world’s problems cannot be solved without Beijing


The second reason is the extraordinary absence of global leadership from the US. President Trump has declined even to encourage American states to act together against Covid-19, let alone to orchestrate any co-ordinated international response.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Yes - two points on this



  • The long term goal of China (global dominance through resource control, economic expansion, currency manipulation, divide and conquer on the the west etc. etc. ) has been obvious for years. But far as I can tell there has been no coordinated thinking or policy on how to counter it while accepting China as a major world player (which it now is whether we like it or not). Proper strategic thinking on this is needed now. Perhaps this virus will be the trigger for it.


  • Trump has missed a huge opportunity on COVID-19. The US could have stood up, offered global leadership in resources, aid, research, logistics and so on. This would have recovered a vast amount of the goodwill he's lost under traditional allies in the last few years and would at a stroke have restored much of the US's reputation as the de facto world superpower and leader. But no, he's more worried about slagging off CNN, getting his son-in-law on the telly and stopping face-mask exports to Canada . Utterly depressing - the man seems incapable of any thinking beyond short term point scoring


 


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David M Porter
07 April 2020 14:06:56


 


Hi Roger,


It’s rare that I disagree with you but on two points here I do disagree.


Firstly, the behaviour of the Chinese authorities, which was not just about what information they provided or didn’t provide but about their deliberate attempts to cover up the outbreak. The subsequent misinformation is a matter of record.


As for preparedness, I wonder if we expect too much. Certainly things could have been handled better but sometimes clarity only comes with hindsight. Occasionally no amount of planning and preparedness can prevent a calamity.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I recall that late last year, some people were calling for the then leader of LFB to resign over the Grenfell fire tragedy because they deemed her to be responsible for her fire brigade not being able to save more lives that night. I thought that was unfair, because for me that was one of those cases you speak of when no amount of planning and preparation that the LFB could have done beforehand would have made much, if any, difference to events on that night.


Wrt COVID-19, many lessons will need to be learned from this crisis going forwards, not just by those in government and other positions of authority but by people in many walks of life. One lesson should be IMO that if there is ever, god forbid, and outbreak of this disease or anything similar in any country in the future, one of the first things to do will be so halt all international air travel in and out of the affected country or countries without delay. It looks to me as though mass air travel was instrumental in the very fast spread of COVID-19 across many parts of the world in the space of a few weeks.


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Maunder Minimum
07 April 2020 14:16:39


Wrt COVID-19, many lessons will need to be learned from this crisis going forwards, not just by those in government and other positions of authority but by people in many walks of life. One lesson should be IMO that if there is ever, god forbid, and outbreak of this disease or anything similar in any country in the future, one of the first things to do will be so halt all international air travel in and out of the affected country or countries without delay. It looks to me as though mass air travel was instrumental in the very fast spread of COVID-19 across many parts of the world in the space of a few weeks.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



Of course it was David - even Professor Neil Ferguson admitted as much on the Andrew Marr show - I quote:


"people were flying in and spreading the virus".


Could not be much clearer than that.


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Caz
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07 April 2020 14:20:57


 



Of course it was David - even Professor Neil Ferguson admitted as much on the Andrew Marr show - I quote:


"people were flying in and spreading the virus".


Could not be much clearer than that.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Talk about stating the bloody obvious!  How else would it spread?  


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07 April 2020 14:27:33


Talk about stating the bloody obvious!  How else would it spread?  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I wonder why people aren't setting fire to airport terminals rather than 5G masts.


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David M Porter
07 April 2020 14:28:29


 



Of course it was David - even Professor Neil Ferguson admitted as much on the Andrew Marr show - I quote:


"people were flying in and spreading the virus".


Could not be much clearer than that.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Indeed. As Phil said last night in the previous thread, the Chinese should have moved to close their borders with all neighbouring countries thereby allowing no-one in & out of their own country once they had established with some certainty what the problem was and once they knew that this virus was a danger to life. It was their failure to do this which then led to it spreading to so many other countries in a relatively short period of time and has led the world to the god awful situation it is now in.


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Gavin D
07 April 2020 14:40:15
92% of patients who've died in England in hospital were aged 60+ with those aged aged 80+ making up 52% of the deaths
Saint Snow
07 April 2020 14:40:49


 


Have we sent our fleet yet? 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


On its way...


 




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Caz
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07 April 2020 14:43:02


 


I wonder why people aren't setting fire to airport terminals rather than 5G masts.


Originally Posted by: RobN 

Maybe Prof Ferguson knows as he seems able to work things out logically! 


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Roger Parsons
07 April 2020 14:44:28


OMG yes I meant tentacles. How embarrasing


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Not at all, HW - it lifted the mood nicely.


I am reminded of the classical schoolboy "howler" about the hydra:


"It stands on its head and waves its testicles about to catch food."


All blokes will have done this kind of stuff at some stage...


Roger


 


p.s. Testicles of Death sounds like a Leonard Cohen song....


 


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Gavin D
07 April 2020 14:48:05
The death rate has unsurprisingly gone up again today from a recent low of 8.9% yesterday though it's still lower than most of last week

30th -1,789 (27%)
31st ​​​ - 2,352 (31%)
1st - ​​2,921 (24%)
2nd - ​​​3,605 (23%)
3rd - ​​​4,313 (20%)
4th - ​​​4,932 (14%)
5th - ​​​5,373 (8.9%)
6th - 6,227 (15.9%)
Saint Snow
07 April 2020 14:50:56





OMG yes I meant tentacles. How embarrasing


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


So...


Was it one of the all-time great auto-corrects?


Or something Mr Freud would be interested in discussing?



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