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speckledjim
10 April 2020 11:06:16


 


None of the top 100 are in Africa. The first one is Tunisia, then Morocco and Algeria. The first sub-Saharan country is South Africa.


With the usual caveat about the reliability of the data.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Ha, I had sorted from smallest....whoops


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Gavin D
10 April 2020 11:17:05

Spain have reported 605 deaths in the past 24 hours the lowest for 17 days.


Spain's overnight update has reported 3,800 new cases and 396 new deaths

Gooner
10 April 2020 11:18:34


 


Agreed, equally people don’t always work where they live.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Which is another headache we have guys come to us 3 times a week from over 100 miles away 


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Gooner
10 April 2020 11:23:21


 


Re. Valance he did say time and time again that at this stage you cannot put a number or timeframe on this situation. However people want the situation to be quantified regardless of the fact the data and evidence for that are not present.


Watch any interview and you will see the medics and scientists pushed again and again to give impossible numbers and timings. The smallest sniff of any reply will be plastered over the news as an “expert claims...”.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I said at work yesterday when will people realise its virtually impossible to put a date on things 


It is what it is  and will happen when the times right , some will be happy , some won't . Me , I'm not really bothered just as long we don't relax too quick , the last thing we want is round 2 later in the year 


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Brian Gaze
10 April 2020 11:37:52

This is significant:


Fewer than one in five healthcare workers who suspected they had coronavirus actually tested positive for the disease, according to one of the first published UK studies of mass testing on NHS workers.


Scientists from Sheffield, which started testing all symptomatic healthcare workers a fortnight before much of the rest of the UK, have published research showing that 81% of staff reporting symptoms tested negative.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-uk-live-boris-johnson-still-in-hospital-as-public-urged-to-stay-home-for-easter


1) If healthcare workers aren't able to differentiate the symptoms effectively the rest of us almost certainly can't. Therefore, many of those people who had "corona virus earlier this year" very probably didn't. A few of course probably did.


2) The report discusses results from the two weeks following March 17th. That was before NHS worker testing was accelerated. Therefore, it's very possible that in recent days the increased number of tests done on NHS worker has artificially pushed down the UK's positive test percentage. That could be a worry. 


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Brian Gaze
10 April 2020 11:43:51

Scotland has reported 48 deaths in the latest period. Well down on the previous 24 hours so I would expect England to see a similar reduction in the English stats shortly. As I said earlier I expect today's stats and those for the rest of the Easter period to be misleading. The weekend effect on steroids potentially.


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Darren S
10 April 2020 11:48:42


This is significant:


Fewer than one in five healthcare workers who suspected they had coronavirus actually tested positive for the disease, according to one of the first published UK studies of mass testing on NHS workers.


Scientists from Sheffield, which started testing all symptomatic healthcare workers a fortnight before much of the rest of the UK, have published research showing that 81% of staff reporting symptoms tested negative.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-uk-live-boris-johnson-still-in-hospital-as-public-urged-to-stay-home-for-easter


1) If healthcare workers aren't able to differentiate the symptoms effectively the rest of us almost certainly can't. Therefore, many of those people who had "corona virus earlier this year" very probably didn't. A few of course probably did.


2) The report discusses results from the two weeks following March 17th. That was before NHS worker testing was accelerated. Therefore, it's very possible that in recent days the increased number of tests done on NHS worker has artificially pushed down the UK's positive test percentage. That could be a worry. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


i think the tests are still unreliable and coming up negative when people are infected. In the same way as another article I read today saying that a third of people who were tested positive had undetectable antibodies weeks later, and people on the Diamond Princess were randomly testing positive and negative then positive again.


This virus seems very good at hiding.


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Gandalf The White
10 April 2020 11:49:25


 


Ha, I had sorted from smallest....whoops


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


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Ulric
10 April 2020 11:53:39

i think the tests are still unreliable and coming up negative when people are infected. In the same way as another article I read today saying that a third of people who were tested positive had undetectable antibodies weeks later, and people on the Diamond Princess were randomly testing positive and negative then positive again.


This virus seems very good at hiding.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Or, the test kits are generally of poor quality and thoroughly unreliable.


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Brian Gaze
10 April 2020 11:54:21


 


i think the tests are still unreliable and coming up negative when people are infected. In the same way as another article I read today saying that a third of people who were tested positive had undetectable antibodies weeks later, and people on the Diamond Princess were randomly testing positive and negative then positive again.


This virus seems very good at hiding.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


I think these were antigen rather than anibody tests. Antigen tests are considered very accurate.


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llamedos
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10 April 2020 12:01:37


Scotland has reported 48 deaths in the latest period. Well down on the previous 24 hours so I would expect England to see a similar reduction in the English stats shortly. As I said earlier I expect today's stats and those for the rest of the Easter period to be misleading. The weekend effect on steroids potentially.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Wouldn't today's figures be on a similar basis though as they are showing yesterday's reportings? I agree the rest of the weekend's info will be well out of kilter....


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Heavy Weather 2013
10 April 2020 12:13:11


Scotland has reported 48 deaths in the latest period. Well down on the previous 24 hours so I would expect England to see a similar reduction in the English stats shortly. As I said earlier I expect today's stats and those for the rest of the Easter period to be misleading. The weekend effect on steroids potentially.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yesterday I thoigh we would be the highest overalls as Scotland and Wales both reported record numbers, but then England was lower


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John Mason
10 April 2020 12:14:43


This is significant:


Fewer than one in five healthcare workers who suspected they had coronavirus actually tested positive for the disease, according to one of the first published UK studies of mass testing on NHS workers.


Scientists from Sheffield, which started testing all symptomatic healthcare workers a fortnight before much of the rest of the UK, have published research showing that 81% of staff reporting symptoms tested negative.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-uk-live-boris-johnson-still-in-hospital-as-public-urged-to-stay-home-for-easter


1) If healthcare workers aren't able to differentiate the symptoms effectively the rest of us almost certainly can't. Therefore, many of those people who had "corona virus earlier this year" very probably didn't. A few of course probably did.


2) The report discusses results from the two weeks following March 17th. That was before NHS worker testing was accelerated. Therefore, it's very possible that in recent days the increased number of tests done on NHS worker has artificially pushed down the UK's positive test percentage. That could be a worry. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Brian - it is abundantly clear that there is more than one form of acute respiratory tract infection of a substantial nature doing the rounds - on top of the usual colds. Witness the thing that clouted me mid-January. It clobbered a lot of folk and flattened them: what none of us know was the organism responsible. This points towards the importance of reliable testing and raises the issue that early testing should have been rolled out very quickly. In other words, we were caught napping!

Bugglesgate
10 April 2020 12:34:12


This is significant:


Fewer than one in five healthcare workers who suspected they had coronavirus actually tested positive for the disease, according to one of the first published UK studies of mass testing on NHS workers.


Scientists from Sheffield, which started testing all symptomatic healthcare workers a fortnight before much of the rest of the UK, have published research showing that 81% of staff reporting symptoms tested negative.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/10/coronavirus-uk-live-boris-johnson-still-in-hospital-as-public-urged-to-stay-home-for-easter


1) If healthcare workers aren't able to differentiate the symptoms effectively the rest of us almost certainly can't. Therefore, many of those people who had "corona virus earlier this year" very probably didn't. A few of course probably did.


2) The report discusses results from the two weeks following March 17th. That was before NHS worker testing was accelerated. Therefore, it's very possible that in recent days the increased number of tests done on NHS worker has artificially pushed down the UK's positive test percentage. That could be a worry. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 



 


Indeed.  My cousin is a nurse of many  decades experience.   Her husband went down with severe respiratory   problems that has exactly the same   symptoms  as Coronavirus.  She was   convinced and so where the hospital ....... until he received a negative test result.  He's still in isolation with  some form of pneumonia.  Last I heard they were awaiting test results on the particular bugs in the fluid they are draining out of his lungs .


 


 


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RobN
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10 April 2020 12:42:48

Can coronavirus cause permanent damage?


There is evidence that COVID-19 could cause long-term lung and kidney problems.


"According to WHO, SARS, a type of coronavirus that behaves similarly to COVID-19, did the same thing to the lungs of those affected by it and led to permanent damage to these people's ability to breathe normally. 


All this would suggest that for a small number of people who are severely affected by the disease, breathing normally may never be the same again and getting short of breath on minimal exertion or requiring medication to help you breathe may become the norm."


https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/doctor-note-coronavirus-permanent-damage-200410112235801.html


Rob
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Justin W
10 April 2020 12:48:45


Can coronavirus cause permanent damage?


There is evidence that COVID-19 could cause long-term lung and kidney problems.


"According to WHO, SARS, a type of coronavirus that behaves similarly to COVID-19, did the same thing to the lungs of those affected by it and led to permanent damage to these people's ability to breathe normally. 


All this would suggest that for a small number of people who are severely affected by the disease, breathing normally may never be the same again and getting short of breath on minimal exertion or requiring medication to help you breathe may become the norm."


https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/doctor-note-coronavirus-permanent-damage-200410112235801.html


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Yes my neighbour recovered three weeks ago but still has breathing difficulties. She has been told this may be permanent.


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fairweather
10 April 2020 13:05:05


 


 


Yes, this is my view  as well.


Regional lock-downs, won't work in the   UK, we are too densely populated. .  People will just migrate a few miles to an area with laxer  arrangements and what happens in a  company when all your apprentices  and trainees can go back to work  but the line  managers and  department heads  can't ?.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I think the penny has finally dropped with the majority of people. Nobody wants to catch it. So once the numbers are well down perhaps insisting on social distancing continuing but less restrictions on leaving the house and where you can go? Straight back into lockdown at the first signs of an increase that would stretch the NHS?


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Gavin D
10 April 2020 13:14:20
Breaking: NHS England have announced 866 new deaths 

56 had no known health conditions
Heavy Weather 2013
10 April 2020 13:17:11

953 UK deaths from COVID-19 have been reported today:


England: +866


Wales: +29


NI: +10


Scotland: +48


Mark
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Gavin D
10 April 2020 13:18:01

Of the 866 deaths in England announced today



  • 117 on April 9th - Yesterday

  • 720 between April 1st and April 8th

  • 29 in March including 1 on March 5th

Gavin D
10 April 2020 13:21:02
Confirmed deaths on April 8th was 140
Confirmed deaths on April 9th was 117

Gandalf The White
10 April 2020 13:23:02


Of the 866 deaths in England announced today



  • 117 on April 9th - Yesterday

  • 720 between April 1st and April 8th

  • 29 in March including 1 on March 5th


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That just underlines the futility of overanalysing the data for any one day.


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Gavin D
10 April 2020 13:23:05

The 866 patients who died between March 5th and April 9th were aged between 27 and 100 years old.


56 aged between 40 and 93 years old had no known underlying health condition. 

llamedos
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10 April 2020 13:27:08

Breaking: NHS England have announced 866 new deaths 

56 had no known health conditions

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Regrettably I think that seems about right, although slightly lower than might have been expected.


As I suggested earlier, I thought today's figures would be broadly in line with what we've been seeing, but I agree the next few day's data will be flawed.


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Brian Gaze
10 April 2020 13:31:40


953 UK deaths from COVID-19 have been reported today:


England: +866


Wales: +29


NI: +10


Scotland: +48


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Horrific. Must be approaching the worst day recorded in Italy?


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