I totally agree - take the hit now , nothing wrong with being over cautious , to have a second or third wave of this would be an absolute disaster .

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Trump is planning to accelerate the reopening of the economy. The US could well be the country that puts the "heard immunity" theory to the test. I think the population there will be prepared to accept more deaths than we in west Europe are. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

DON'T USE ASDA click and collect !! At the start of the lock down my wife was forced to do a "normal" shop in our usual Tesco which involved a lot of queuing. We've got by since then but eventually managed to get a click and collect in our local Asda. Collected it this morning and it was diabolical in terms of safety. Being in the vulnerable category i am particularly careful. First of all there was nothing on line or signage where to collect from so we had to ask somebody. They said you had to go inside. So we parked and went inside and again had to ask what to do. We were directed to - wait for it, a TOUCH screen where we had touch in our order number.  No disinfecting wipes no staff controlling it, nothing. Then despite having used their mobile app for the fast collect we had to wait by this machine for ten minutes for somebody to find the order. No social distancing marked out around it. Right next to an escalator and in the entrance to an isle. Shoppers obliviously on their phones walking two foot passed us. No sterilisation of trolley handles either.  A disgrace. At Tescos apparently they fetch it out to you in the car park.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

DON'T USE ASDA click and collect !! At the start of the lock down my wife was forced to do a "normal" shop in our usual Tesco which involved a lot of queuing. We've got by since then but eventually managed to get a click and collect in our local Asda. Collected it this morning and it was diabolical in terms of safety. Being in the vulnerable category i am particularly careful. First of all there was nothing on line or signage where to collect from so we had to ask somebody. They said you had to go inside. So we parked and went inside and again had to ask what to do. We were directed to - wait for it, a TOUCH screen where we had touch in our order number.  No disinfecting wipes no staff controlling it, nothing. Then despite having used their mobile app for the fast collect we had to wait by this machine for ten minutes for somebody to find the order. No social distancing marked out around it. Right next to an escalator and in the entrance to an isle. Shoppers obliviously on their phones walking two foot passed us. No sterilisation of trolley handles either.  A disgrace. WOuld have been safer to just go shopping. At Tescos apparently they fetch it out to you in the car park.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Coffee shops, estate agents and restaurants could be among the first to reopen in the UK as they're deemed the greatest boost to the economy with screens in place or tables at least 6ft apart.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Has anyone modelled how many extra deaths there might have been if a lockdown(s) had not been in place?

Originally Posted by: POD 

That’s terrible. However, coincidentally I got a click and collect at Folkestone Asda yesterday. No touch screens or going into the store, just a text message with a link to click on which told them I was out in the car park. They came straight out to the car with the trolley and boxes, then stepped back three metres while I loaded up. Absolutely excellent I thought. 

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

The irony of this is that restaurants would have the re-hire workers and would likely no longer be eligible for the government loan scheme. Re-opening with lower capacity would hit them probably harder and send them to the wall quicker. 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

I keep saying "heard" immunity inadvertently but actually it's more appropriate than "herd" I think. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 I noticed you’d done that and I thought it was deliberate!  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

DON'T USE ASDA click and collect !! At the start of the lock down my wife was forced to do a "normal" shop in our usual Tesco which involved a lot of queuing. We've got by since then but eventually managed to get a click and collect in our local Asda. Collected it this morning and it was diabolical in terms of safety. Being in the vulnerable category i am particularly careful. First of all there was nothing on line or signage where to collect from so we had to ask somebody. They said you had to go inside. So we parked and went inside and again had to ask what to do. We were directed to - wait for it, a TOUCH screen where we had touch in our order number.  No disinfecting wipes no staff controlling it, nothing. Then despite having used their mobile app for the fast collect we had to wait by this machine for ten minutes for somebody to find the order. No social distancing marked out around it. Right next to an escalator and in the entrance to an isle. Shoppers obliviously on their phones walking two foot passed us. No sterilisation of trolley handles either.  A disgrace. WOuld have been safer to just go shopping. At Tescos apparently they fetch it out to you in the car park.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

The thing is, we can all see it coming down the line...

So why can't these well paid, 'educated' folk not see it? I don't get it. 

The economy argument can't even be used because once it gets bad again we'll inevitably go through this rigmarole once again. 

I'm stumped.

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 

Has anyone seen any new modelling published since these Imperial graphs did the rounds? (click for larger - bottom one is a zoomed in view of the lower part of the first). Even with a modelled lockdown extended to Sept there's still a massive and unmanageable second wave in the winter. What basis are those calling for various forms of early end to the lockdown using to determine their outcomes?

Originally Posted by: RobN 

The irony of this is that restaurants would have the re-hire workers and would likely no longer be eligible for the government loan scheme. Re-opening with lower capacity would hit them probably harder and send them to the wall quicker. 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

We use Tesco and all v well organised with hand sanitisers too

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

That’s terrible. However, coincidentally I got a click and collect at Folkestone Asda yesterday. No touch screens or going into the store, just a text message with a link to click on which told them I was out in the car park. They came straight out to the car with the trolley and boxes, then stepped back three metres while I loaded up. Absolutely excellent I thought. 

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

I work in the hospitality sector,currently furloughed, and most restaurants are just not big enough to enforce social distancing and be viable and how do you give table service and observe social distancing?? Places like Mcdonalds,kfc etc might be able to open as there is no table service.Also not too mention many restaurant kitchens are small so chefs and kp`s would not be able to maintain social distancing whilst working. As you say if they open they would be no longer eligible for the govt loan scheme as well as the furlough scheme.

Originally Posted by: springsunshine 

If only. That is our usual shop but never any collect or delivery slots available.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Read elsewhere on the internet this morning that Conservative MP Nadine Dorries, who herself has Covid-19 a month ago, had said that the lockdown cannot be lifted fully until such a time as there is a working & safe vaccine against the virus.

She is absolutely right. We will never be 100% safe and life cannot go completely back to normal for any of us until we have this.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter