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fairweather
16 April 2020 08:23:23

DON'T USE ASDA click and collect !! At the start of the lock down my wife was forced to do a "normal" shop in our usual Tesco which involved a lot of queuing. We've got by since then but eventually managed to get a click and collect in our local Asda. Collected it this morning and it was diabolical in terms of safety. Being in the vulnerable category i am particularly careful. First of all there was nothing on line or signage where to collect from so we had to ask somebody. They said you had to go inside. So we parked and went inside and again had to ask what to do. We were directed to - wait for it, a TOUCH screen where we had touch in our order number.  No disinfecting wipes no staff controlling it, nothing. Then despite having used their mobile app for the fast collect we had to wait by this machine for ten minutes for somebody to find the order. No social distancing marked out around it. Right next to an escalator and in the entrance to an isle. Shoppers obliviously on their phones walking two foot passed us. No sterilisation of trolley handles either.  A disgrace. WOuld have been safer to just go shopping. At Tescos apparently they fetch it out to you in the car park.


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CreweCold
16 April 2020 08:23:31


 


I totally agree - take the hit now , nothing wrong with being over cautious , to have a second or third wave of this would be an absolute disaster .


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The thing is, we can all see it coming down the line...


So why can't these well paid, 'educated' folk not see it? I don't get it. 


The economy argument can't even be used because once it gets bad again we'll inevitably go through this rigmarole once again. 


I'm stumped.



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xioni2
16 April 2020 08:24:38


Trump is planning to accelerate the reopening of the economy. The US could well be the country that puts the "heard immunity" theory to the test. I think the population there will be prepared to accept more deaths than we in west Europe are. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It's not up to Trump though, American states will have more say on when they re-open their economies.

Justin W
16 April 2020 08:26:42


DON'T USE ASDA click and collect !! At the start of the lock down my wife was forced to do a "normal" shop in our usual Tesco which involved a lot of queuing. We've got by since then but eventually managed to get a click and collect in our local Asda. Collected it this morning and it was diabolical in terms of safety. Being in the vulnerable category i am particularly careful. First of all there was nothing on line or signage where to collect from so we had to ask somebody. They said you had to go inside. So we parked and went inside and again had to ask what to do. We were directed to - wait for it, a TOUCH screen where we had touch in our order number.  No disinfecting wipes no staff controlling it, nothing. Then despite having used their mobile app for the fast collect we had to wait by this machine for ten minutes for somebody to find the order. No social distancing marked out around it. Right next to an escalator and in the entrance to an isle. Shoppers obliviously on their phones walking two foot passed us. No sterilisation of trolley handles either.  A disgrace. At Tescos apparently they fetch it out to you in the car park.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


That’s terrible. However, coincidentally I got a click and collect at Folkestone Asda yesterday. No touch screens or going into the store, just a text message with a link to click on which told them I was out in the car park. They came straight out to the car with the trolley and boxes, then stepped back three metres while I loaded up. Absolutely excellent I thought. 


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Brian Gaze
16 April 2020 08:27:49

I keep saying "heard" immunity inadvertently but actually it's more appropriate than "herd" I think. 


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Rob K
16 April 2020 08:30:08


DON'T USE ASDA click and collect !! At the start of the lock down my wife was forced to do a "normal" shop in our usual Tesco which involved a lot of queuing. We've got by since then but eventually managed to get a click and collect in our local Asda. Collected it this morning and it was diabolical in terms of safety. Being in the vulnerable category i am particularly careful. First of all there was nothing on line or signage where to collect from so we had to ask somebody. They said you had to go inside. So we parked and went inside and again had to ask what to do. We were directed to - wait for it, a TOUCH screen where we had touch in our order number.  No disinfecting wipes no staff controlling it, nothing. Then despite having used their mobile app for the fast collect we had to wait by this machine for ten minutes for somebody to find the order. No social distancing marked out around it. Right next to an escalator and in the entrance to an isle. Shoppers obliviously on their phones walking two foot passed us. No sterilisation of trolley handles either.  A disgrace. WOuld have been safer to just go shopping. At Tescos apparently they fetch it out to you in the car park.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


That's not good, as my wife has got an Asda click and collect slot for next week. Although I assume it must vary a lot from store to store.


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Heavy Weather 2013
16 April 2020 08:30:54

Coffee shops, estate agents and restaurants could be among the first to reopen in the UK as they're deemed the greatest boost to the economy with screens in place or tables at least 6ft apart.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


The irony of this is that restaurants would have the re-hire workers and would likely no longer be eligible for the government loan scheme. Re-opening with lower capacity would hit them probably harder and send them to the wall quicker. 


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Caz
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16 April 2020 08:31:19


Has anyone modelled how many extra deaths there might have been if a lockdown(s) had not been in place?


Originally Posted by: POD 

The logic behind the lock down was to slow down the spread, rather than to stop it.  The fear was that if there were too many cases all at once, it would be more than the NHS could cope with and lives would be lost due to the lack of resources.  To date, there have been enough critical care beds and ventilators to deal with those needing hospitalisation.  


I suspect it would have been total chaos without the lockdown and more lives would have been lost.  I’m speculating of course but it does appear the lockdown is serving its purpose. 


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CreweCold
16 April 2020 08:32:19


 


That’s terrible. However, coincidentally I got a click and collect at Folkestone Asda yesterday. No touch screens or going into the store, just a text message with a link to click on which told them I was out in the car park. They came straight out to the car with the trolley and boxes, then stepped back three metres while I loaded up. Absolutely excellent I thought. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I hate those bloody touch screens at the doctors. A room full of ill people and I'm expected to touch that. No thanks. I always go to the desk.



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Darren S
16 April 2020 08:36:32


 


The irony of this is that restaurants would have the re-hire workers and would likely no longer be eligible for the government loan scheme. Re-opening with lower capacity would hit them probably harder and send them to the wall quicker. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I think a majority of people who might otherwise consider going to a restaurant wouldn't do so while the risk is so significant. I wouldn't currently.


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Caz
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16 April 2020 08:40:56


I keep saying "heard" immunity inadvertently but actually it's more appropriate than "herd" I think. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 I noticed you’d done that and I thought it was deliberate!  


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16 April 2020 08:42:46

Has anyone seen any new modelling published since these Imperial graphs did the rounds? (click for larger - bottom one is a zoomed in view of the lower part of the first). Even with a modelled lockdown extended to Sept there's still a massive and unmanageable second wave in the winter. What basis are those calling for various forms of early end to the lockdown using to determine their outcomes?



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westv
16 April 2020 08:44:40


 I noticed you’d done that and I thought it was deliberate!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


That's what I heard too.


At least it will be mild!
speckledjim
16 April 2020 08:45:05


DON'T USE ASDA click and collect !! At the start of the lock down my wife was forced to do a "normal" shop in our usual Tesco which involved a lot of queuing. We've got by since then but eventually managed to get a click and collect in our local Asda. Collected it this morning and it was diabolical in terms of safety. Being in the vulnerable category i am particularly careful. First of all there was nothing on line or signage where to collect from so we had to ask somebody. They said you had to go inside. So we parked and went inside and again had to ask what to do. We were directed to - wait for it, a TOUCH screen where we had touch in our order number.  No disinfecting wipes no staff controlling it, nothing. Then despite having used their mobile app for the fast collect we had to wait by this machine for ten minutes for somebody to find the order. No social distancing marked out around it. Right next to an escalator and in the entrance to an isle. Shoppers obliviously on their phones walking two foot passed us. No sterilisation of trolley handles either.  A disgrace. WOuld have been safer to just go shopping. At Tescos apparently they fetch it out to you in the car park.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


We use Tesco and all v well organised with hand sanitisers too


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Gooner
16 April 2020 08:49:59


 


The thing is, we can all see it coming down the line...


So why can't these well paid, 'educated' folk not see it? I don't get it. 


The economy argument can't even be used because once it gets bad again we'll inevitably go through this rigmarole once again. 


I'm stumped.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


Totally agree - do it right once , I'm struggling to get my head around it if I'm honest


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Brian Gaze
16 April 2020 08:51:06


Has anyone seen any new modelling published since these Imperial graphs did the rounds? (click for larger - bottom one is a zoomed in view of the lower part of the first). Even with a modelled lockdown extended to Sept there's still a massive and unmanageable second wave in the winter. What basis are those calling for various forms of early end to the lockdown using to determine their outcomes?



Originally Posted by: RobN 


IDS and Gerard Lyons are saying science can't be allowed to drive policy making. I believe Gerard has the ear of Boris.


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springsunshine
16 April 2020 08:51:42


 


The irony of this is that restaurants would have the re-hire workers and would likely no longer be eligible for the government loan scheme. Re-opening with lower capacity would hit them probably harder and send them to the wall quicker. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I work in the hospitality sector,currently furloughed, and most restaurants are just not big enough to enforce social distancing and be viable and how do you give table service and observe social distancing?? Places like Mcdonalds,kfc etc might be able to open as there is no table service.Also not too mention many restaurant kitchens are small so chefs and kp`s would not be able to maintain social distancing whilst working. As you say if they open they would be no longer eligible for the govt loan scheme as well as the furlough scheme.

fairweather
16 April 2020 08:52:37


 


We use Tesco and all v well organised with hand sanitisers too


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


If only. That is our usual shop but never any collect or delivery slots available.


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fairweather
16 April 2020 08:56:28


 


That’s terrible. However, coincidentally I got a click and collect at Folkestone Asda yesterday. No touch screens or going into the store, just a text message with a link to click on which told them I was out in the car park. They came straight out to the car with the trolley and boxes, then stepped back three metres while I loaded up. Absolutely excellent I thought. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


That was what I was expecting. I was stunned. I was literally dodging people. The staff seemed completely oblivious to it and even when they came with the trolley they came way too close.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
chelseagirl
16 April 2020 09:00:29


 


I work in the hospitality sector,currently furloughed, and most restaurants are just not big enough to enforce social distancing and be viable and how do you give table service and observe social distancing?? Places like Mcdonalds,kfc etc might be able to open as there is no table service.Also not too mention many restaurant kitchens are small so chefs and kp`s would not be able to maintain social distancing whilst working. As you say if they open they would be no longer eligible for the govt loan scheme as well as the furlough scheme.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Here in Cromer, there are 27 coffee shops   And one Costa which took years to be opened due to fear of outsiders coming in!  Anyway, most of these have 4/5 tables inside and are very small. Can’t see it happening here as social distancing would mean 2 tables, if that. Plus the lack of visitors wouldn’t help either. I should imagine a good few of these small businesses will fold due to this. 


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16 April 2020 09:08:06
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David M Porter
16 April 2020 09:12:13

Read elsewhere on the internet this morning that Conservative MP Nadine Dorries, who herself has Covid-19 a month ago, had said that the lockdown cannot be lifted fully until such a time as there is a working & safe vaccine against the virus.


She is absolutely right. We will never be 100% safe and life cannot go completely back to normal for any of us until we have this.


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Retron
16 April 2020 09:15:30


 


If only. That is our usual shop but never any collect or delivery slots available.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Log on at midnight and you'll get your slot.


 


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Maunder Minimum
16 April 2020 09:23:18
Until there is a working vaccine, the only way to control the infection is through periodic loosening and tightening of movement restrictions. There is no other way, since a full lockdown cannot be maintained for 18 months or more. So, restrictions will be eased in the coming weeks as infection rates decline, then after a couple of months, infection rates will climb once more and restrictions will be tightened, then eased once more and so on.
 
The only guiding strategy is to ensure that the healthcare system (in our case the overly bureaucratic NHS) can cope with the caseload of those needing hospitalisation.
 
New world order coming.
Caz
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16 April 2020 09:23:57


Read elsewhere on the internet this morning that Conservative MP Nadine Dorries, who herself has Covid-19 a month ago, had said that the lockdown cannot be lifted fully until such a time as there is a working & safe vaccine against the virus.


She is absolutely right. We will never be 100% safe and life cannot go completely back to normal for any of us until we have this.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

I really don’t think we can stay in lockdown for that long!  It could be months before we find a vaccine, not to mention months to administer it and that’s assuming a lot of things fall into place! 


I think we’ll have another three weeks of this and then some measures will be relaxed to test the strain on the NHS and that will determine what we do next.  I think it’s likely those in the ‘shielding’ category will have to continue isolation for some time but otherwise I think we’ll be back to light lockdown with social distancing.  That will mean no large gatherings for a while and no pubs, clubs and restaurants opening yet. 


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