Corona Virus 23 April 2020· Page 11

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The Beast from the East
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23 April 2020 19:43:19

Got an auntie in her mid 80s who’s just not going to follow any shielding advice! It’s difficult to disagree - to paraphrase I don’t know how long I’ve got left, might not be here next year so I’m not going to sit inside starting at the wall. Don’t tell me it’s important for my health, what’s the point of staying alive if you can’t live?

Originally Posted by: haggishunter

That's very true, and why any lockdown cant go on for more than a few months. June seems to be the target when things are back to normal with social distancing

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The Beast from the East
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23 April 2020 19:48:28

#252

France says companies registered in tax havens, or with subsidiaries in such places, cannot benefit from the billions of euros of support being provided by the government to limit the economic damage of the coronavirus pandemic.

— Andrew Neil (@afneil) April 23, 2020

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President

Polar Low
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23 April 2020 19:49:05

#253

And maybe compulsory use of masks in towns and city

Two specific nose cell types have been identified as likely initial infection points for COVID-19 coronavirus. Scientists discovered that goblet and ciliated cells in the nose have high levels of the entry proteins that the COVID-19 virus uses to get into our cells, which could help explain the high rate of transmission. The study with Human Cell Atlas Lung Biological Network found cells in the eye and some other organs also contain the viral-entry proteins.

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That's very true, and why any lockdown cant go on for more than a few months. June seems to be the target when things are back to normal with social distancing

SJV
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23 April 2020 19:50:25

#254

I'm sure the vast majority of people support continuation of the measures...

...but don't think they should fully apply to themselves.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow

Yes. A case in point when I did my weekly shop this evening. I definitely got a bad draw waiting in the queue with a guy in front of me looking rather drunk (the odd sway) kept his distance but spat on the floor Young couple behind me were loud, obnoxious and stood no further than 1m away at all times.

Inside the store there were people all over the place not following the arrows. I obviously didn't tut and roll my eyes aggressively enough! On the way out just before I got to the travelator a guy decided he was in a rush and nipped very closely past me to get ahead of my trolley without giving me chance to object

Anyway the reason why I rant now is I bet most of these dangerous nincompoops will have clapped for the NHS at 8pm this evening

NickR
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23 April 2020 19:51:37

#255

It’s not just about 2nd waves and we have no idea what will/wont happen should any country get one. You may well be right with your opinion but it is just that and it certainly isn’t fact. I also don’t understand why you think those countries who acted earlier in their epidemic would be in a better economic position, have more understanding and have better treatments. All countries are sharing their experiences for all to benefit from.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim

They would be in a better economic position because they have not been locked down for as long. I never said they would have better understanding and treatment than others; I was pointing out that, rather than treating 10s of 1000s now, when we don't have a clear understanding of the virus, they would be treating their citizens later, when intl understanding was better and treatments had been developed. You can keep saying this is only my opinion, but these are basic facts:

1. Countries who didn't lock down have been treating 10s of 1000s of infected people at an early stage of the virus, with limited understanding.

Countries that went the NZ or SK route will be treating a greater % of their infected at a later stage, with better understanding and treatments.

2. Countries that didn't lock down will hit the second wave with a greater number of deaths "under their belt" than those who went the NZ and SK route.

In what way can you argue against these facts and contend that what I am saying is just my opinion? Again, if you're going to disagree, then let's have an argument based on, well, actual arguments!

Nick
Durham
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NickR
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23 April 2020 19:53:04

#256

https://quillette.com/2020/04/23/covid-19-superspreader-events-in-28-countries-critical-patterns-and-lessons/

Strongly recommend people read this.

Strong evidence that large droplet transmission is the main vector of infection.

Large droplets can be more easily transmitted through talking, singing, cheering, heavy breathing, coughing, sneezing e.c.t.

Stay at least 8m apart from people and do not talk to strangers.

Passive breathing is ineffectual at spreading large droplets.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

And wear masks, even if they are homemade. The case against them is getting weaker by the second.

Nick
Durham
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Polar Low
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23 April 2020 19:54:55

#257

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200423130420.htm

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And wear masks, even if they are homemade. The case against them is getting weaker by the second.

Quantum
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23 April 2020 19:55:24

#258

We are going to see a second surge based on the adherence to lockdown round here. It’s back to BAU.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013

I am so fucking mad with covidiots and covid scroungers.

3 goddamn months I've been doing this BS for, and some people can't even manage a few weeks.

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.

NickR
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23 April 2020 19:59:00

#259

I don't know your personal circumstances or the geography of Durham (i.e. can you plan walks without contravening social distancing?) or whether you have a large garden, so I probably shouldn't presume to comment, but staying in, looking at four walls for a week let alone five weeks, would drive me screaming up one of them. Despite her dementia, Rhoda too needs better stimulation than listening to daytime TV all day (she can't focus on the screen)

Chichester has lots of green spaces and empty roads connecting them, and people are punctilious about observing the 2m. distance, nearly always standing to one side to let Rhoda in wheelchair and myself past. Consequently we have felt secure enough to go out for a walk every afternoon this month, for an hour or two in each case. We have no sign of any infection yet, and I check body temps daily.

FWIW West Sussex has about 1 in 900 of population confirmed cases and Durham 1 in 500.

Are we living in a fools' paradise? I hope not - but I'm sure that my mental health and perspective on the situation are the better for not sitting at home 24/7.

Originally Posted by: DEW

I think it's great you're getting out, and part of it is my paranoia. We have spaces we could drive to close by that are countryside, but I'm wary. We have a pretty sizeable garden, so we're playing football daily for about an hour, but my daughter isn't doing as much, though I dragged her out to do the PE with Joe Wicks session yesterday. Basically, we all get to be out in the garden, either playing football or gardening, which is why we've been able to stay in, but, yes, we should find a spot to walk sometime soon. Might try tomorrow, before the weekend hits.

Nick
Durham
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NickR
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23 April 2020 20:03:18

#260

I am so fucking mad with covidiots and covid scroungers.

3 goddamn months I've been doing this BS for, and some people can't even manage a few weeks.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

I'm completely with you on this, Q. I started 2-3 weeks before everyone else - not as long as you, but much longer than most, and share your frustration.

Nick
Durham
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Bugglesgate
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23 April 2020 20:11:02

#261

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200423130420.htm
quote=NickR;1208471]

And wear masks, even if they are homemade. The case against them is getting weaker by the second.

Originally Posted by: Polar Low

Right oh, that's pegs going to be the next panic buy (for noses).

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"

noodle doodle
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23 April 2020 20:11:43

#262

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200423130420.htm

quote=NickR;1208471]

And wear masks, even if they are homemade. The case against them is getting weaker by the second.

Originally Posted by: Polar Low

Good news for us mouth breathers?

I literally cannot breathe through my right nostril since I can remember. I'm of the opinion I shoved a bit of Lego up there and my mum couldn't be arsed to take me to the doctor.

SJV
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23 April 2020 20:13:40

#263

I literally cannot breathe through my right nostril since I can remember. I'm of the opinion I shoved a bit of Lego up there and my mum couldn't be arsed to take me to the doctor.

Originally Posted by: noodle doodle

I'm sure the doctor wouldn't know what to make of it anyway

Gavin D
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23 April 2020 20:13:57

#264

Regional data for new cases today in England

The 7 English regions

London +415 (1.8%) 22,767

Midlands +570 (3.4%) 16,663

North West +473 (3.0%) 15,682

South East +359 (2.5%) 14,412

North East and Yorkshire +469 (3.3%) 14,246

East of England +436 (5.0%) 8,654

South West +182 (3.4%) 5,411

The 10 local areas with the highest cases

Kent +141 (5.0%) 2,826

Birmingham +52 (2.1%) 2,483

Hampshire +35 (1.5%) 2,371

Lancashire +76 (3.3%) 2,305

Surrey +42 (1.9%) 2,176

Essex +89 (4.3%) 2,069

Hertfordshire +42 (2.1%) 1,996

Sheffield +5 (0.3%) 1,751

Cumbria +41 (2.6%) 1,584

Staffordshire +59 (4.2%) 1,405

The 10 local areas with the lowest cases

Rutland 13 - No change

Isle of Wight +2 (2.6%) 76

North East Lincolnshire + 5 (4.6%) 109

Hartlepool +15 (13.3%) 113

Torbay +8 (4.7%) 169

Peterborough +16 (9.4%) 171

Bracknell Forest 174 - No change

Herefordshire, County of +7 (4.0%) 175

North Somerset +8 (4.4%) 183

Bath and North East Somerset +5 (2.7%) 187

RobN
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23 April 2020 20:23:50

#265

Good news for us mouth breathers?

I literally cannot breathe through my right nostril since I can remember. I'm of the opinion I shoved a bit of Lego up there and my mum couldn't be arsed to take me to the doctor.

Originally Posted by: noodle doodle

This could be the answer. Unlike decent masks, Lego is still readily available and relatively cheap.

Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Brian Gaze
Administration

23 April 2020 20:23:54

#266

https://quillette.com/2020/04/23/covid-19-superspreader-events-in-28-countries-critical-patterns-and-lessons/

Strongly recommend people read this.

Strong evidence that large droplet transmission is the main vector of infection.

Large droplets can be more easily transmitted through talking, singing, cheering, heavy breathing, coughing, sneezing e.c.t.

Stay at least 8m apart from people and do not talk to strangers.

Passive breathing is ineffectual at spreading large droplets.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

8m isn't going to be possible for most people.

Brian Gaze
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Bugglesgate
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23 April 2020 20:30:25

#267

8m isn't going to be possible for most people.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

No it's bloody ridiculous !

I always give people a wide margin and frequently exceed 2M but 8M is wider than most roads around here !

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"

Polar Low
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23 April 2020 20:32:45

#268

Except the wife especially weekends

8m isn't going to be possible for most people.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

Brian Gaze
Administration

23 April 2020 20:34:46

#269

No it's bloody ridiculous !

I always give people a wide margin and frequently exceed 2M but 8M is wider than most roads around here !

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate

Indeed. Also think about all the UK businesses which are planning to reopen in the next few weeks. There's no way on earth they'll be able to operate with social distancing if an 8m gap between people is required.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/23/aston-martin-revs-production-host-companies-get-back-work/

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Saint Snow
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23 April 2020 20:36:40

#270

France says companies registered in tax havens, or with subsidiaries in such places, cannot benefit from the billions of euros of support being provided by the government to limit the economic damage of the coronavirus pandemic.

— Andrew Neil (@afneil) April 23, 2020

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East

Can you imagine that happening over here?

The New Brexit Party would be deluged with demands for refunds of 'donations'.

Martin
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Joe Bloggs
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23 April 2020 20:43:51

#271

From what I'm seeing around here the lock-down is gradually "fraying at the edges". IMHO just going on allowing that to happen is the worst of both worlds. It's costing the Govt. a packet in Furlough and all the other stuff while at the same time becoming increasingly ineffective.

We either need a crackdown or we need to start a phased loosening. IMHO. My main concern is "The Folks" in their mid 80s. I know Dad is already starting to annoy Mum after a few weeks and I don't think it's going to be practical to keep them in isolation like we have been doing for a potential year and a half longer.

My mate, who works for Tarmac as a contractor at Heathrow and isn't currently furloughed, but they have just announced a pay cut fro non furloughed staff. I'm wondering if this might be something that becomes more widespread as time goes on.

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate

I agree Chris. It’s definitely “fraying at the edges” right now, certainly is up here. Absolutely not “business as usual” though, I don’t believe that is the case anywhere despite what people may claim.

Yes - pay cuts, redundancies, long periods of unpaid leave, are going to be fairly common over the next few months I’d imagine.

Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Maunder Minimum
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23 April 2020 20:47:35

#272

New York State Governor Cuomo said that preliminary findings from an antibody study conducted on 3,000 people at grocery stores across New York State found a 13.9% had coronavirus antibodies, suggesting a 13.9% actual infection rate statewide (21.2% in New York City), which translates to an estimate of about 2,700,000 actual cases in New York State (10 times more than the about 270,000 cases that have been detected and reported officially). Governor Cuomo acknowledged that the official count reported by New York State (which still is not including probable deaths as recommended by the new CDC guidelines) of about 15,500 deaths is "not accurate" as it doesn't account for stay at home deaths. Based on Worldometer's count (which includes probable deaths reported by New York City) of about 21,000 deaths and the 2,700,000 case estimate from the new antibody study, the actual case fatality rate in New York State could be at around 0.78%.

New world order coming.