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westv
30 April 2020 16:49:59

Boris giving the biggest hint yet that masks will part of any easing of lockdown.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It'll give the mask police something to do.


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
30 April 2020 16:55:56
674 new all settings deaths in the UK down from 765 yesterday.
Gandalf The White
30 April 2020 17:02:38


 


It'll give the mask police something to do.


Originally Posted by: westv 


That feels like an unnecessarily jaundiced response?


Logic says that a mask helps reduce the spread of any virus so, with the various caveats (*) it should be a no-brained.


* Making sure we’re not affecting PPE availability for people in healthcare and social care - and with appropriate use.


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RobN
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30 April 2020 17:03:29

From New Scientist..


Why it’ll still be a long time before we get a coronavirus vaccine


Trials of experimental coronavirus vaccines are already under way, but it’s still likely to be years before one is ready and vaccination may not even be possible

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632804-000-why-itll-still-be-a-long-time-before-we-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/


Rob
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Gandalf The White
30 April 2020 17:09:59
It’s been announced that 81,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

That’s an impressive leap; must be a decent chance of getting close to 100,000 today (to be announced tomorrow).
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Brian Gaze
30 April 2020 17:10:31

I wonder what the impact on security and crime will be once masks become widespread?


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Roger Parsons
30 April 2020 17:19:20

It’s been announced that 81,000 tests were conducted yesterday.

That’s an impressive leap; must be a decent chance of getting close to 100,000 today (to be announced tomorrow).

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


It's not at all bad, Gandalf - and I'm certainly not going to nit pick if they have not hit their ambitious target exactly.


Roger


ps


I had a good day in Lincoln but your inbox is full - I'll tell you about it later but let's say "problem sorted"!


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Gandalf The White
30 April 2020 17:23:23
It’s just been reported that police have issued SIX penalty notices to ONE person for breaking the Covid-19 law.

Extraordinary. You’d gave thought she/he’d have got the message after the first one or two but obviously not.
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SJV
30 April 2020 17:29:31

It’s just been reported that police have issued SIX penalty notices to ONE person for breaking the Covid-19 law.

Extraordinary. You’d gave thought she/he’d have got the message after the first one or two but obviously not.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Given the penalty is a paltry £30 (if paid within two weeks) I'm not surprised some selfish idiots see it as worth the money. Whack a zero on the end of that total and we'll see if they keep breaching the restrictions 


 

Bugglesgate
30 April 2020 17:51:43


From New Scientist..


Why it’ll still be a long time before we get a coronavirus vaccine


Trials of experimental coronavirus vaccines are already under way, but it’s still likely to be years before one is ready and vaccination may not even be possible

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632804-000-why-itll-still-be-a-long-time-before-we-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/


Originally Posted by: RobN 


 


Could be, might be, likely,  expert, x says .......


Other experts say other things.   I prefer to be optimistic


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Gandalf The White
30 April 2020 17:53:44


 


Given the penalty is a paltry £30 (if paid within two weeks) I'm not surprised some selfish idiots see it as worth the money. Whack a zero on the end of that total and we'll see if they keep breaching the restrictions 


 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Don't forget that the fine doubles each time, so by the sixth time he/she is looking at £1,920 - but still halved for prompt payment, I assume. But even at the lower rate that's a total of almost £2,000 - so far - and close to £4,000 if they're not being paid on time.


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Bugglesgate
30 April 2020 17:54:34

It’s just been reported that police have issued SIX penalty notices to ONE person for breaking the Covid-19 law.

Extraordinary. You’d gave thought she/he’d have got the message after the first one or two but obviously not.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


I think the fines should double each tome you are collared - Some people  are just thick and need things rammed home !!


Chris (It,its)
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"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
The Beast from the East
30 April 2020 18:00:38


I wonder what the impact on security and crime will be once masks become widespread?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


"bank robbers and letter boxes"?


I certainly wont be wearing one unless the govt gives me one for free


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Gandalf The White
30 April 2020 18:01:03


From New Scientist..


Why it’ll still be a long time before we get a coronavirus vaccine


Trials of experimental coronavirus vaccines are already under way, but it’s still likely to be years before one is ready and vaccination may not even be possible

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632804-000-why-itll-still-be-a-long-time-before-we-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine/


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Two, for me, obvious issues with this article.


Firstly, the research is from a few years ago and would be based on the then conventional approach to vaccine development: the newer techniques are claimed to be both much quicker and more likely to be effective.


Secondly, the claimed 'bottleneck' in gearing up production is being addressed. It was announced today that Astrazeeca is gearing up for production in parallel with the trials: they said limited supplies could be available by December.  That may be ambitious but it is significantly better than the timescales quoted in that article, which again are based on past evidence.


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Gavin D
30 April 2020 18:09:50

UK data


54,575 tests
6,032 positive


Confirmed rate has fallen to 11.05%.

Gooner
30 April 2020 18:16:09


 


Given the penalty is a paltry £30 (if paid within two weeks) I'm not surprised some selfish idiots see it as worth the money. Whack a zero on the end of that total and we'll see if they keep breaching the restrictions 


 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Just heard on the local news Thames Valley Police have issued more penalty notices than any other force 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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John p
30 April 2020 18:20:54


UK data


54,575 tests
6,032 positive


Confirmed rate has fallen to 11.05%.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


As I alluded to yesterday- from Alex Wickham. 


“We are handing out tests to everyone and their mum to try and get demand up,” one Tory says


There has been a “massive ramp up” in the final hours, Whitehall sources claim


But NHS Providers warn there is no clear sense of who is getting tested


—-


I fear this is the real reason confirmed rate percentages are falling - pointless tests being doled out to meet an arbitrary target. 
Also as Beast mentioned, many are having to do these uncomfortable tests themselves which may not be accurate. 


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Maunder Minimum
30 April 2020 18:21:38


 


"bank robbers and letter boxes"?


I certainly wont be wearing one unless the govt gives me one for free


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You can make your own using a scarf or t-shirt.


Anyhow, the Chinese have apparently augmented their facial recognition software so that it can still identify those wearing face masks.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
30 April 2020 18:22:56

People already going back to the office. 


There is also a decrease in the number of people working from home, with the amount of those saying that they had done so in the past week down to 44.6 per cent from 49.2 per cent the week before.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/30/people-going-work-coronavirus-lockdown-frays-ons-survey-reveals/


 


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Brian Gaze
30 April 2020 18:23:37


UK data


54,575 tests
6,032 positive


Confirmed rate has fallen to 11.05%.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I thought it was 85,000 tests?


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Maunder Minimum
30 April 2020 18:23:43


 


As I alluded to yesterday- from Alex Wickham. 


“We are handing out tests to everyone and their mum to try and get demand up,” one Tory says


There has been a “massive ramp up” in the final hours, Whitehall sources claim


But NHS Providers warn there is no clear sense of who is getting tested


—-


I fear this is the real reason confirmed rate percentages are falling - pointless tests being doled out to meet an arbitrary target. 
Also as Beast mentioned, many are having to do these uncomfortable tests themselves which may not be accurate. 


Originally Posted by: John p 


Not so long ago, random testing was being advocated as a means to finding out whether we were getting close to herd immunity or not.


But, the media is apparently obsessed with testing targets, so you cannot blame the government for getting as many people tested as is humanly possible.


But there is only any point to it, if those confirmed positive are isolated and contact tracing is carried out.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
30 April 2020 18:26:14


Not so long ago, random testing was being advocated as a means to finding out whether we were getting close to herd immunity or not.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I continue to advocate randomised testing using both antigen and antibody kits. However, handing them out aimlessly isn't necessary randomised testing and it certainly isn't controlled. 


A number of people are adamant (four on this forum for instance) that we have reached herd immunity or are very close. The theory should be tested.


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Retron
30 April 2020 18:30:22


A number of people are adamant (four on this forum for instance) that we have reached herd immunity or are very close. The theory should be tested.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'd think it was zero, not four! I don't think anybody on here has said we have reached herd immunity.


What I've said, and sincerely believe, is that the levels we will have - which, depending on reports, would be anywhere from 3% to 10%, will take the edge off any second surge, such as is to be expected if lockdown is lifted too quickly, or too completely.


It's a far cry from the 60 or 70% needed for full herd immunity to kick in, but every single person that recovers from Covid-19 is helping build immunity.


We do, IMO, need antibody tests ASAP. If it's shown someone has good levels of antibodies, that's someone who can get back to work as normal without fear of catching the disease. I would be back at the school quite happily if I knew I was immune, for example. It's the uncertainty that's problematic.


 


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Polar Low
30 April 2020 18:32:51

some are complete prat’s


A British police constable has spoken of the "horror, shock, and anger" he felt when he was spat at during the UK's coronavirus lockdown.


Nottinghamshire Police officer Anthony Brice was detaining Daniel Hagerty when the 32-year-old spat at him and his colleague.


PC Brice said he "would rather have been punched in the face".


The officer has since tested negative for Covid-19,


via sentence 6 months 


This sentence sends a clear message that vile acts such as this will not be put up with in any shape or form and especially not now in the current climate


 



 


Don't forget that the fine doubles each time, so by the sixth time he/she is looking at £1,920 - but still halved for prompt payment, I assume. But even at the lower rate that's a total of almost £2,000 - so far - and close to £4,000 if they're not being paid on time.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

xioni2
30 April 2020 18:37:41


 I'd think it was zero, not four! I don't think anybody on here has said we have reached herd immunity.


What I've said, and sincerely believe, is that the levels we will have - which, depending on reports, would be anywhere from 3% to 10%, will take the edge off any second surge, such as is to be expected if lockdown is lifted too quickly, or too completely.


It's a far cry from the 60 or 70% needed for full herd immunity to kick in, but every single person that recovers from Covid-19 is helping build immunity.


We do, IMO, need antibody tests ASAP. If it's shown someone has good levels of antibodies, that's someone who can get back to work as normal without fear of catching the disease. I would be back at the school quite happily if I knew I was immune, for example. It's the uncertainty that's problematic.


 

Originally Posted by: Retron 


I think Brian meant the poster Four, not the number four. I echo what you say about the antibody tests and there were some encouraging news yesterday.


Some encouraging signs from the govt too in terms of how they are handling the crisis.

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