I think Brian meant the poster Four, not the number four. I echo what you say about the antibody tests and there were some encouraging news yesterday.

Some encouraging signs from the govt too in terms of how they are handling the crisis.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

I thought it was 85,000 tests?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

So, you'd be happy for the next outbreak of foot and mouth to be left so herd immunity built up? No, you wouldn't...

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

I think Brian meant the poster Four, not the number four. I echo what you say about the antibody tests and there were some encouraging news yesterday.

Some encouraging signs from the govt too in terms of how they are handling the crisis.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

As I alluded to yesterday- from Alex Wickham. 

“We are handing out tests to everyone and their mum to try and get demand up,” one Tory says

There has been a “massive ramp up” in the final hours, Whitehall sources claim

But NHS Providers warn there is no clear sense of who is getting tested

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I fear this is the real reason confirmed rate percentages are falling - pointless tests being doled out to meet an arbitrary target. 
Also as Beast mentioned, many are having to do these uncomfortable tests themselves which may not be accurate. 

Originally Posted by: John p 

some are complete prat’s

A British police constable has spoken of the "horror, shock, and anger" he felt when he was spat at during the UK's coronavirus lockdown.

Nottinghamshire Police officer Anthony Brice was detaining Daniel Hagerty when the 32-year-old spat at him and his colleague.

PC Brice said he "would rather have been punched in the face".

The officer has since tested negative for Covid-19,

via sentence 6 months 

This sentence sends a clear message that vile acts such as this will not be put up with in any shape or form and especially not now in the current climate

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

A spitter testing positive should be done for attempted murder.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

They have no plan apart from shut everything down and try to make people hide away until the economy collapses.
There is still no vaccine and may well never be, they aren't really doing contact tracing without which widespread testing is of limited use.
As soon as lockdown is eased cases will creep up and there will eventually be de-facto herd immunity or at least a degree of suppression as the number who have had it increases.
Just like in New York it would be surprising if some cities here aren't around 20% upwards already had it so getting there already.

The question is do we want to wreck the economy totally and follow that with the real peak about November or get on with it sooner.
Since under 50s have not a lot to fear from it there is not much sense paying them with borrowed money to sit at home. 

Originally Posted by: four 

A spitter testing positive should be done for attempted murder.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

I'd think it was zero, not four! I don't think anybody on here has said we have reached herd immunity.

What I've said, and sincerely believe, is that the levels we will have - which, depending on reports, would be anywhere from 3% to 10%, will take the edge off any second surge, such as is to be expected if lockdown is lifted too quickly, or too completely.

It's a far cry from the 60 or 70% needed for full herd immunity to kick in, but every single person that recovers from Covid-19 is helping build immunity.

We do, IMO, need antibody tests ASAP. If it's shown someone has good levels of antibodies, that's someone who can get back to work as normal without fear of catching the disease. I would be back at the school quite happily if I knew I was immune, for example. It's the uncertainty that's problematic.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

UK data

54,575 tests
6,032 positive

Confirmed rate has fallen to 11.05%.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

But, the media is apparently obsessed with testing targets, so you cannot blame the government for getting as many people tested as is humanly possible.

But there is only any point to it, if those confirmed positive are isolated and contact tracing is carried out.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Yep - or the very minimum GBH and using an offensive weapon.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I don’t understand the significance of these figures. Where does the 11.05% figure come from?   

Originally Posted by: Caz 

I think the fines should double each tome you are collared - Some people  are just thick and need things rammed home !!

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

Lots more tests have been done so the percentage is lower.

But I doubt many of these tests are accurate as they are self-done, and most people are not going to stick the swab where it needs to go properly

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Cops are spat on all the time, nothing new, especially when dealing with people who are mentally disturbed. We have a halfway house down the round and the nutters are allowed out with no supervision. I got spat on a few years ago by one of these inmates. 

Care in the Community is a joke thanks to austerity and cuts in staff levels

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Some encouraging signs from the govt too in terms of how they are handling the crisis.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

It’s  not acceptable at anytime Geoff you know that especially at this present time so stop it
if one has even a learning or mental problem or both it would still be at least a cat 3 assault charge

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Lots more tests have been done so the percentage is lower.

But I doubt many of these tests are accurate as they are self-done, and most people are not going to stick the swab where it needs to go properly

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

I thought it was 85,000 tests?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze