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The Beast from the East
08 May 2020 17:31:24


I am willing to support an ease of lockdown in three weeks. However, HMG has to get its act togeather in a big way

The briefings earlier this week to the media have complete destroyed the messaging and may have put us backwards. The lockdown has been fraying around the edges for weeks.

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it was clear after the first three weeks that we should have gone all in and banned even leaving the home without good reason. If we had done that we would probably be in a better position now. France, Spain and Italy did it and they appear to be in better positions now because of it


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yes, that is probably true, but we don't have the security infrastructure to enforce such a lockdown, nor the social care structure to get vital supplies to people who need it. In China, they delivered food rations to your home and flew drones on the streets to catch anyone leaving their home. South Korea had a sophisticated test and trace infrastructure in place very early on, a plan they had put in place after SARS in 2003. The plan worked.


We had the Cygnus report in 2016 making recommendations to deal with a pandemic. Our Govt just ignored it


 


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Gooner
08 May 2020 17:35:33


 


A lot on here wouldn't agree, Joe 


There are no 'right' answers with this. Whichever way we turn, it is going to be painful. But HMG and the BoE could and should pay everybody £2.5k a month to stay at home and pump hundreds of billions into supporting business through this. We are about to enter a deflationary spiral and so printing money has never made more sense. We should stop worrying about national debt and kill this virus by extending lockdown for another six weeks.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Do you know what ………….totally agree , debt or thousands more dead ?????? erm ?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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John p
08 May 2020 17:36:36

Either people have let their guards down due to the bank holiday or due to Thursday's papers but I cannot believe what I'm seeing down my road at the moment. 


People out mingling between households less than one meter apart, kids out all day etc. I've honestly never seen it  this busy in 15 years, let alone during 'mockdown'. 


I fear the chickens will well and truly come home to roost in three weeks time🙁. 


Camberley, Surrey
The Beast from the East
08 May 2020 17:37:35


 


He isn't at the minute but my Aunt said his voice was so frail - almost a struggle .


No , that's the thing , no one has a bloody clue , my money is on mowing the front lawn .


Food deliveries have all been left on the door step.


Its quite frightening really , people think they have everything covered then bang!


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Hopefully his body is fighting it off. Are they giving him any other drugs or plasma treatment? I don't know if Remdesivir is allowed in our hospitals, but I would take it if offered


Shows how contagious this virus is, if he can still catch it without leaving the house. Perhaps it was on the food packaging. If he was outside mowing the lawn, did he get close to passers by?


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Justin W
08 May 2020 17:38:49


Either people have let their guards down due to the bank holiday or due to Thursday's papers but I cannot believe what I'm seeing down my road at the moment. 


People out mingling between households less than one meter apart, kids out all day etc. I've honestly never seen it  this busy in 15 years, let alone during 'mockdown'. 


I fear the chickens will well and truly come home to roost in three weeks time🙁. 


Originally Posted by: John p 


Yes, John. I fear you are correct. There will be be a second spike in a fortnight to three weeks. All totally avoidable and catastrophic both for society and 'the economy'.


This is English exceptionalism at its most tragic.


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The Beast from the East
08 May 2020 17:44:07


Either people have let their guards down due to the bank holiday or due to Thursday's papers but I cannot believe what I'm seeing down my road at the moment. 


People out mingling between households less than one meter apart, kids out all day etc. I've honestly never seen it  this busy in 15 years, let alone during 'mockdown'. 


I fear the chickens will well and truly come home to roost in three weeks time🙁. 


Originally Posted by: John p 


Both my side neighbours and the back neighbours are doing VE stuff in their gardens with strangers I haven't seen before. I was in ASDA earlier and it was packed out, they were letting in far too many people and there was no social distancing and most people were ignoring the one way system. There was a  fat chav couple coughing everywhere and as much as I tried to avoid them, they kept appearing in my vicinity!


The lockdown has broken thanks to the govt briefing the press


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Brian Gaze
08 May 2020 17:48:14


Either people have let their guards down due to the bank holiday or due to Thursday's papers but I cannot believe what I'm seeing down my road at the moment. 


People out mingling between households less than one meter apart, kids out all day etc. I've honestly never seen it  this busy in 15 years, let alone during 'mockdown'. 


I fear the chickens will well and truly come home to roost in three weeks time🙁. 


Originally Posted by: John p 


Same here. We had a street party which I attended for about 90 mins. I didn't want an alcoholic drink because I'm doing a Zoom beer festival tomorrow evening. Thank God. Most people were drinking and it was all very jovial as is always the case. In fact to the extent that it seemed completely normal days had returned or never departed. Kids were running around and adults were congregating in groups as the alcohol started taking effect.


Brian Gaze
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Gavin D
08 May 2020 17:50:46

UK data



  • Number of tests - 97,029

  • People tested - 67,443

  • Positive - 4,649

  • All settings deaths - 626


The confirmed rate for positive tests has fallen to 6.89%

Gooner
08 May 2020 17:54:12


 


Hopefully his body is fighting it off. Are they giving him any other drugs or plasma treatment? I don't know if Remdesivir is allowed in our hospitals, but I would take it if offered


Shows how contagious this virus is, if he can still catch it without leaving the house. Perhaps it was on the food packaging. If he was outside mowing the lawn, did he get close to passers by?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Not sure on the treatment I have asked Mum 


Just had a conversation with her about the food deliveries my Uncle and Aunt were getting , they were washing all packaging BUT the carrier bags they folded up and put away …………….My money is firmly on that now 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Roger Parsons
08 May 2020 17:54:40


Same here. We had a street party which I attended for about 90 mins. I didn't want an alcoholic drink because I'm doing a Zoom beer festival tomorrow evening. Thank God. Most people were drinking and it was all very jovial as is always the case. In fact to the extent that it seemed completely normal days had returned or never departed. Kids were running around and adults were congregating in groups as the alcohol started taking effect.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That's how it starts....


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Gooner
08 May 2020 17:55:54


 


Yes, John. I fear you are correct. There will be be a second spike in a fortnight to three weeks. All totally avoidable and catastrophic both for society and 'the economy'.


This is English exceptionalism at its most tragic.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I said weeks and weeks ago , human nature , people get bored and lose focus . Boris wasn't strong enough I'm afraid 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
08 May 2020 17:58:58


 


Both my side neighbours and the back neighbours are doing VE stuff in their gardens with strangers I haven't seen before. I was in ASDA earlier and it was packed out, they were letting in far too many people and there was no social distancing and most people were ignoring the one way system. There was a  fat chav couple coughing everywhere and as much as I tried to avoid them, they kept appearing in my vicinity!


The lockdown has broken thanks to the govt briefing the press


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Then fine ASDA  £1,000,000 , greed and negligence , Sainsburys in Banbury have had it spot on throughout , so much room in the store its a joy to shop , should keep it that way


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


John p
08 May 2020 18:00:32


UK data



  • Number of tests - 97,029

  • People tested - 67,443

  • Positive - 4,649

  • All settings deaths - 626


The confirmed rate for positive tests has fallen to 6.89%


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I’d estimate there’s been about 30k new cases this week (and the week before and the week before etc).


Even though the percentage of positive tests are down that’s still a football stadium worth of new people each week with the virus, capable of spreading it around. 


Camberley, Surrey
John p
08 May 2020 18:01:54


 


Then fine ASDA  £1,000,000 , greed and negligence , Sainsburys in Banbury have had it spot on throughout , so much room in the store its a joy to shop , should keep it that way


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Yes, our Sainsbury’s has been fantastic too. I went last week about 8.15pm and had the place to myself (don’t think many realise the opening hours are back to normal). 


Camberley, Surrey
Brian Gaze
08 May 2020 18:07:52


 


That's how it starts....


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


One of the attendees is a matron at Stoke Mandeville.   Also we had a hospitalisation a couple of weeks ago (lose track of time but I think that's about right) and although the person was quickly discharged it should have been an eye opener.


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Ulric
08 May 2020 18:32:15


 


Yes, John. I fear you are correct. There will be be a second spike in a fortnight to three weeks. All totally avoidable and catastrophic both for society and 'the economy'.


This is English exceptionalism at its most tragic.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries


 


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Saint Snow
08 May 2020 18:39:36

These silly VE Day 'celebrations' are the death knell of 'lockdown'.


Cretins having street parties as an excuse to get p*ssed with other people again.


I fully expect to see a spike in cases, hospitalisations and deaths in 2-3 weeks.


I just hope there isn't a scaling back of the relaxation of restrictions that help the economy.


Saving lives should be the priority, followed by keeping as many parts of the economy functioning as possible. 


People having a p*ss-up that trivialises a catastrophic world war should be way, way down the pecking order. 


Sadly, our nationalist right-wing media have fanned the nationalist flames for such celebrations (encouraging neighbourly get-togethers and printing stupid posters), and our nationalist, right-wing government seems happy to sit back and reap the nationalist harvest Regardless of the consequences.


 



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Gavin D
08 May 2020 18:40:46

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +124 (0.5%) 25,623

  • Midlands +302 (1.4%) 22,045

  • North West +263 (1.2% )21,863

  • North East and Yorkshire +381 (1.8%) 20,774

  • South East +236 (1.2%) 18,932

  • East of England +224 (1.9%) 11,856

  • South West +82 (1.2%) 6,907


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +82 (2.0%) 4,050

  2. Lancashire +38 (1.2%) 3,093

  3. Birmingham +49 (1.6%) 3,060

  4. Hampshire +10 (0.3%) 2,979

  5. Essex +35 (1.2%) 2,813

  6. Surrey +27 (1.0%) 2,720

  7. Hertfordshire +21 (0.8%) 2,488

  8. Sheffield +21 (0.9%) 2,327

  9. Cumbria +15 (0.7%) 2,062

  10. Staffordshire +32 (1.7%) 1,934


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland 24 - No change

  2. North East Lincolnshire 138 - No change

  3. Isle of Wight +3 (2.0%) 152

  4. Torbay 209 - No change

  5. Bath and North East Somerset 220 - No change

  6. Bracknell Forest +2 (0.9%) 228

  7. Hartlepool +4 (1.7%) 230

  8. Windsor and Maidenhead +2 (0.7%) 270

  9. Calderdale +8 (3.0%) 270

  10. North Somerset +11 (3.8%) 287

Maunder Minimum
08 May 2020 18:45:45

Cannot help but feel that the Kent figures are skewed because of those arriving on a fairly frequent basis from the migrant camps near Calais. It is well known that those camps are centres of contagion and every migrant picked up by the border force is tested as a matter of routine.


 


New world order coming.
Joe Bloggs
08 May 2020 18:55:27


 


Not sure on the treatment I have asked Mum 


Just had a conversation with her about the food deliveries my Uncle and Aunt were getting , they were washing all packaging BUT the carrier bags they folded up and put away …………….My money is firmly on that now 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


That would be a spectacularly unlucky transmission IMO. 



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chelseagirl
08 May 2020 18:58:18


 


Do you know what ………….totally agree , debt or thousands more dead ?????? erm ?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

. We have had a rather heated discussion about this tonight. Hubby is HE road inspector, and as such, he is continuing on salary, albeit working from home. (This is driving me crazy incidentally, have decided that he needn’t consider retiring 😂).  I am 61, diabetic and have heart disease ( misspent youth, but I had fun).  I have been at home since the week before the official lockdown started, and I am beginning to struggle. He is quite happy, as he is out at work 2/3 times a week, but I’m not.  I said that if a vaccine is not able to be developed, then what do I do? I said I would go out as the quality of life in a permanent semi lockdown situation would be untenable and I would rather have a shorter life and enjoy it. This ended in a row so I am just pinning my hopes on a vaccination being successful. Family is spread out, 2 in UK and one in Germany so getting all of us together is a rarity but am so missing the grandkids. When we do see them, can I hug them? Who knows. 


On the other hand, no 1 son is self employed and struggling financially, so I see the need to go back to “normal”, no 2 sons partner travels extensively in Europe and the US, he doesn’t even know what is going to to happen with his job, at least they are financially secure for a while. No 3 son is in Germany, well paid but furloughed, but again, doesn’t know how his job will go as he works for Mercedes. He rents his flat, as do most Germans, but he has nothing to come back to here. 


So, do we carry on a lockdown of sorts, let rip, or what? If it stays the same, there will be huge financial hardship, if we let it all go, there will be a huge amount of deaths. Where do we actually go from here?


The Fenlands of Cambridgeshire
Gandalf The White
08 May 2020 18:58:30


 


https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries


 


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


As it notes:


"...having economic interruptions which last for several weeks is a historically validated response strategy that is as old as history. A short, hard lockdown saves both the economy and the health of the population. If the lockdown is not doing the job very well, and new cases will not slow down, the strategy would be to strengthen the lockdown, rather than lift it.


The price a country pays for reopening too early can be incredibly high. Massive amounts of deaths, a collapsed healthcare system, and having multiple lockdowns would cause massive amounts of damage, and must be avoided."


 


At least it looks as if the easing will be very gradual but like others I fear another tightening up in a few weeks' time, if only because we haven't got the R number down far enough below 1, so there's precious little room for manoeuvre.


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Gooner
08 May 2020 19:02:58


 


That would be a spectacularly unlucky transmission IMO. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Oh incredibly , its either that or mowing the lawn and someone had a brief natter ? 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gavin D
08 May 2020 19:03:21

Joe Bloggs
08 May 2020 19:12:39


 


Oh incredibly , its either that or mowing the lawn and someone had a brief natter ? 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


So scary mate 😞 , you can only be so careful without going OTT and totally crackers! Hopefully that kind of transmission is rare. Best wishes to him. :) 



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