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12 May 2020 05:26:02

Now we all know what to do ...


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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KevBrads1
12 May 2020 05:44:32

Florence Nightingale was born 200 years ago today.


I think she would be proud of the nurses of today. 


 


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Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 05:46:23


You're assuming Labour would have done better, which is a huge assumption to make given that they would have been led by the same scientists. Allied to the fact that most of Europe sat on their hands at some point.


It's alright for the likes of Starmer to sound calm and collected when he has been able to watch events unfold from the sidelines, throwing in the odd snipe about the government along the way.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


No I am not. How on earth does being critical of the present government's approach imply that? 


[Pulled across from the last thread.] 


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12 May 2020 06:18:51


 


No I am not. How on earth does being critical of the present government's approach imply that? 


[Pulled across from the last thread.] 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


But But But Brain, remember any criticism of the government is not allowed in any shape or form. Apparently it’s doesn’t reflect the mood of the country.


Seems we just need to accept that they have done a great job in difficult circumstances. 


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Roger Parsons
12 May 2020 06:28:05


No I am not. How on earth does being critical of the present government's approach imply that? 


[Pulled across from the last thread.] 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


IMO Starmer is a refreshing change in thinking and manner, but Labour has yet to prove itself as a coherent and credible opposition. If he can get them singing from the same hymn sheet they just might come through the CO-19 crisis looking a possible future government. Talking is easy. Now is the moment to show they can do more than carp, moan and whine - a tactic which had them hemorrhaging a pool of traditional Labour voters. Many of these voted Tory at the last election for the first time in their lives.


R.


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Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 06:35:29
Parents around here with young kids are up in arms about plans to reopen primary schools. Perhaps the mood will change if infections continue to fall.
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Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 06:39:26


 


IMO Starmer is a refreshing change in thinking and manner, but Labour has yet to prove itself as a coherent and credible opposition. If he can get them singing from the same hymn sheet they just might come through the CO-19 crisis looking a possible future government. Talking is easy. Now is the moment to show they can do more than carp, moan and whine - a tactic which had them hemorrhaging a pool of traditional Labour voters. Many of these voted Tory at the last election for the first time in their lives.


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


The last election was the first in my life where I didn't seriously consider voting Conservative. That had nothing to do with my view of Labour. I voted independent. 


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Polar Low
12 May 2020 06:51:05

Hard to believe class sizes of 15 with SD in mind


Parents who choose to keep their children at home will not face fines.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52618187


 


 


 


Parents around here with young kids are up in arms about plans to reopen primary schools. Perhaps the mood will change if infections continue to fall.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

doctormog
12 May 2020 06:57:58
Never mind Covid-19, Michael O’Leary makes me sick.
Roger Parsons
12 May 2020 07:06:42


The last election was the first in my life where I didn't seriously consider voting Conservative. That had nothing to do with my view of Labour. I voted independent. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I would have done the same had there been a credible alternative here, Brian. The question now is whether electors would rather have had Corbyn's Labour rump handling the present crisis? I have to say I would not, despite the apparent gitches, gaffs and inadequacies.


 


Roger


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DEW
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12 May 2020 07:18:18

Still confused about when to apply rules and when to apply common sense. Rules say we can't go and visit friends for a chat, even though they have a large garden which can be approached from the road and not through their house. Common sense says we should ignore Hancock's justification for the rule (meet one person in a park) and thus ignore the rule itself, as the 2m. separation is easily arranged and we wouldn't leave traces of virus in their house.


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Gandalf The White
12 May 2020 07:22:06


 


The last election was the first in my life where I didn't seriously consider voting Conservative. That had nothing to do with my view of Labour. I voted independent. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Gosh! I thought you had no time for him?


As you know I was in the same position, given there wasn’t a proper Conservative party (the Johnson NBP isn’t). For all the good it did I voted LibDem.


 


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The Beast from the East
12 May 2020 07:43:25


I would have done the same had there been a credible alternative here, Brian. The question now is whether electors would rather have had Corbyn's Labour rump handling the present crisis? I have to say I would not, despite the apparent gitches, gaffs and inadequacies.


 


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Have you even bothered to look at the Shadow Cabinet and NEC? Corbynites have been purged and Jenny Formby has resigned as Chair.


Labour is now back to what it was pre-Corbyn, but perhaps the right wing papers you read feed you with lies


 


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speckledjim
12 May 2020 07:44:39

Parents around here with young kids are up in arms about plans to reopen primary schools. Perhaps the mood will change if infections continue to fall.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Its the opposite here, everyone is up for it. We are a small village school though with 150 pupils so perhaps that settles the mind more.


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Gooner
12 May 2020 07:45:28

I will be speaking with the head of my daughters school before I decide to send her in.


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Maunder Minimum
12 May 2020 07:47:37


I will be speaking with the head of my daughters school before I decide to send her in.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Why particularly? Children have a miniscule risk from COVID-19.


New world order coming.
Retron
12 May 2020 07:48:48


I will be speaking with the head of my daughters school before I decide to send her in.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Well, the head of my school said this in her briefing today. There's been nothing given to the schools by the government in terms of advice...


"My advice to the Strategy team this morning was simple.  We all need to take a moment and wait.  Wait to see exactly what guidance the government publish, wait to see what happens with our primary school colleagues and wait to see what scientific advice we are given.  I don't think there is any point in rushing to make decisions that we don't yet have to make about challenges that we don't yet have to face."


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Gandalf The White
12 May 2020 07:50:26


 


Have you even bothered to look at the Shadow Cabinet and NEC? Corbynites have been purged and Jenny Formby has resigned as Chair.


Labour is now back to what it was pre-Corbyn, but perhaps the right wing papers you read feed you with lies


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


No justification for this unpleasantness, Beast. 


Just try behaving decently for a change, eh? 


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springsunshine
12 May 2020 07:53:16

On the subject of schools re-opening,i personally think June is too early,has anyone thought `outside the box` and suggested the idea of reducing the summer holidays to say just 2 weeks especially for secondary schools, and kids go back during stage 3 of the govts roadmap? This would also give some opportunity for lost education to be caught up with. 

The Beast from the East
12 May 2020 07:54:34


 


Why particularly? Children have a miniscule risk from COVID-19.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


But they may be able to carry it, though conflicting science on that. 


Personally, I wouldn't open any schools until Sept


 


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Maunder Minimum
12 May 2020 07:55:10


On the subject of schools re-opening,i personally think June is too early,has anyone thought `outside the box` and suggested the idea of reducing the summer holidays to say just 2 weeks especially for secondary schools, and kids go back during stage 3 of the govts roadmap? This would also give some opportunity for lost education to be caught up with. 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


The primary reason for getting primary schools back is for the sake of the economy - so parents are freed up to return to work. Otherwise, they would simply keep schools closed until September.


New world order coming.
Phil G
12 May 2020 07:55:39


 


IMO Starmer is a refreshing change in thinking and manner, but Labour has yet to prove itself as a coherent and credible opposition. If he can get them singing from the same hymn sheet they just might come through the CO-19 crisis looking a possible future government. Talking is easy. Now is the moment to show they can do more than carp, moan and whine - a tactic which had them hemorrhaging a pool of traditional Labour voters. Many of these voted Tory at the last election for the first time in their lives.


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


I think Starmer is playing a shrewd tactical waiting game at the moment. He could have come in all guns blazing and announced himself, but knows then more focus would be put on him and his colleagues and one slip up from them sets them back further, if that's possible. He is also stuck at the moment as much favour is still with the PM (despite some of the comments you read on here) and until that changes he has to bide his time. Any bitching and moaning as seen on here would not be favourable at the moment. Also, he knows trying to sort this mess out is a thankless task.


I can see him being more vocal when discussions about the transition extension resume. Kustom Keir will certainly be up for that one!


 


from the BBC news ticker:


"This year's summer solstice celebrations at Stonehenge in southern England have been cancelled because of the ban on mass gatherings prompted by the coronavirus.


Traditionally about 10,000 people gather at the Neolithic monument in Wiltshire, on or around 21 June, to mark midsummer.


English Heritage said it was cancelling the event "for the safety and wellbeing of attendees, volunteers and staff".


 


 


Good luck with that one police. I suspect many of those that attend this 'just don't get it'.


 

Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 07:56:28

Yesterday Valance said antibody testing has been taking place in the UK. The results suggest the infection rates are:


London 10%


The rest of the UK 4%


Assuming the UK's population is 66,650000, London's is 8,982000 and there have been 50000 C19 deaths in the UK. 


Total number of infections: (London 898200, Rest of UK 2306720) 320492


Total number of deaths: 50000


Mortality rate: (100/3204920) * 50000 = 1.56%


Ouch! That's utterly horrendous. No wonder people are so scared. It's early in the morning so my calculation must be wrong. Please correct me.  


 


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The Beast from the East
12 May 2020 07:57:17


 


The last election was the first in my life where I didn't seriously consider voting Conservative. That had nothing to do with my view of Labour. I voted independent. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


How's his gardening business going?


 


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Maunder Minimum
12 May 2020 07:59:20


 


I can see him being more vocal when discussions about the transition extension resume. Kustom Keir will certainly be up for that one!


 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Not according to The Times - take a look at my post in the EU thread.


New world order coming.

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