Restaurants have opened again in 3 US states, but people are not going

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

Why particularly? Children have a miniscule risk from COVID-19.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

If incidence of disease is dropped too low, a second spike will occur.
Read up on "the hammer and the dance". We are now in "the dance".

"lockdown" needs to be backed off to ensure a manageable number of people still catch it.
This can't be officially voiced without committing political suicide because most people still seem to think the government is somehow going to prevent them catching coronavirus.

What they are doing is smart and considered but would be politically unpopular if the real reasons for doing it were made clear.

Timescale may vary but we are aiming for the orange line, not the green one.

Originally Posted by: four 

Yes, I apologise, I misread your post. My close distance eyesight is starting to fail me, I have been told I need varifocal glasses or something - like a lot of over 40s! I am denial though as I still think I am "young", but clearly nature has other ideas!

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

As a member of the 45 to 65 crowd that does not sound reassuring. Not at all! I doubt most of us in that age group have lived in the knowledge that we have a 2% chance of croaking imminently.  

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

I think this is an interesting and informative post.

I’m 52 and in generally very good health. I had emergency surgery last year which saved my life after a short illness but have bounced back completely. At the time of surgery, I was told my chance of dying under the knife was 3%. I was more interested in the likelihood of ongoing health problems.

It is the same with this virus. I’m not afraid of dying. What I don’t want is to survive it but have ongoing severe health problems.

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

If incidence of disease is dropped too low, a second spike will occur.
Read up on "the hammer and the dance". We are now in "the dance".

"lockdown" needs to be backed off to ensure a manageable number of people still catch it.

Originally Posted by: four 

They are using their commonsense without requiring a politician to decide what might be safe for them.
Restaurants with a small number of customers, in an area with low infection would be pretty safe especially if you are in the younger age range unlikely to notice even if you had it.

Originally Posted by: four 

No probs, Beast. As an over 70 I sympathise with the glasses situation.  I have found varifocals bloody awful except for watching TV repeats whilst using an i-pad!!! On the move you can't see what your feet are doing. Mind the dog poo! I have to take them off to go downstairs or down a slope/jump a ditch etc. They are OK for driving because you can see both road and instrument panel, which helps. So I end up with long distance glasses for outside stuff, varifocals for specific situations, reading glasses for close up, and old pair of reading glasses which now suit pc use.  There are glasses/cases everywhere. I also have developing cataracts which now give me sort of multiple vision, which is strange if bird watching as you get 2-3 times the sightings everyone else gets!

40s is young, you are in your prime - but you will be surprised how quickly the years seem to zip by!

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Yes, I apologise, I misread your post. My close distance eyesight is starting to fail me, I have been told I need varifocal glasses or something - like a lot of over 40s! I am denial though as I still think I am "young", but clearly nature has other ideas!

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

You should worry, young man! But to try and get some perspective my knee replacement op had a 3% risk of a stroke and most people don't turn down the opportunity. Also that is for everybody in that age group and we know a high percentage had pre-existing conditions which will have weighted the average.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I agree with this, but it could be worse for restaurants economically compared to staying closed! 

Originally Posted by: xioni2 

If I’m right, you’ve calculated the death rate as 2% of infections.  So you’d have to catch it first and if you’re outside London there’s only a 4% chance of that.  So your survival rate is looking better already Brian!  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

If incidence of disease is dropped too low, a second spike will occur.
Read up on "the hammer and the dance". We are now in "the dance".

"lockdown" needs to be backed off to ensure a manageable number of people still catch it.
This can't be officially voiced without committing political suicide because most people still seem to think the government is somehow going to prevent them catching coronavirus.

What they are doing is smart and considered but would be politically unpopular if the real reasons for doing it were made clear.

Timescale may vary but we are aiming for the orange line, not the green one.

Originally Posted by: four 

They are using their commonsense without requiring a politician to decide what might be safe for them.
Restaurants with a small number of customers, in an area with low infection would be pretty safe especially if you are in the younger age range unlikely to notice even if you had it.

Originally Posted by: four 

All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

So the moral of the story is:  get some decent specs so you can see it zipping by!  

Seriously, I’ve had varifocals for a while and have had no problem. You just have to remember to move your head up and down to switch from close to distant and not just your eyes.  

Originally Posted by: Caz 

Many years ago I had a knee injury and I have to say it was far and away the worse pain I have ever had to endure and I would have been pleased to die. I would have said yes to any prospect of helpful treatment, whatever the risks. I think you will find Fairweather will have a similar opinion!

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

I think you have outlined the stratergy very accurately there. Herd immunity by stealth! 

Originally Posted by: springsunshine 

All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

 .. I was still worried about dying because I really like living 

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Plus about 80%+ have pre-existing conditions. Assuming you don't and you went to a bookie you would probably get about 1000/1 .

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Had an email from Dobbies stating what my local centre will be doing from tomorrow. This will be the same across all stores that they're able to reopen.

Social distancing measures we have put in place

• We are limiting the number of customers in store at one time


• A queuing system will be in operation outside the store


• Two metre markers will be in place inside and outside of the store


• Hand sanitising and trolley cleaning stations will be available at the store entrance


• We have installed protective screens at our tills


• We ask that customers pay by card or contactless if possible


• Appropriate PPE has been provided for team members


• Team members will receive training and regular briefings on how to keep themselves and customers safe


• We are continuing our rigorous daily hygiene routines throughout the store

Our restaurants

• Whilst our restaurants and soft play remain temporarily closed, we will be offering a takeaway menu from Friday 15th May including hot and cold drinks, soups, toasties, panini and selected bakery items.


• Club Plus members will also be able to redeem their hot drink credits and birthday treat vouchers.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Exactly the point.  Going to the pub now could mean a 2% risk of dying and a hangover to boot. Not exactly an appealing offer IMHO. Beast and Tim Martin may of course think otherwise.  

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze