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12 May 2020 09:32:43


Restaurants have opened again in 3 US states, but people are not going



Originally Posted by: xioni2 



They are using their commonsense without requiring a politician to decide what might be safe for them.
Restaurants with a small number of customers, in an area with low infection would be pretty safe especially if you are in the younger age range unlikely to notice even if you had it.


fairweather
12 May 2020 09:34:45


 


Why particularly? Children have a miniscule risk from COVID-19.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Surely you are not one of those who don't understand the difference between it harming you and transmitting it to others??


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Justin W
12 May 2020 09:43:13

If incidence of disease is dropped too low, a second spike will occur.
Read up on "the hammer and the dance". We are now in "the dance".

"lockdown" needs to be backed off to ensure a manageable number of people still catch it.
This can't be officially voiced without committing political suicide because most people still seem to think the government is somehow going to prevent them catching coronavirus.

What they are doing is smart and considered but would be politically unpopular if the real reasons for doing it were made clear.

Timescale may vary but we are aiming for the orange line, not the green one.

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Originally Posted by: four 


I think this is an interesting and informative post.


I’m 52 and in generally very good health. I had emergency surgery last year which saved my life after a short illness but have bounced back completely. At the time of surgery, I was told my chance of dying under the knife was 3%. I was more interested in the likelihood of ongoing health problems.


It is the same with this virus. I’m not afraid of dying. What I don’t want is to survive it but have ongoing severe health problems.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Roger Parsons
12 May 2020 09:44:52


Yes, I apologise, I misread your post. My close distance eyesight is starting to fail me, I have been told I need varifocal glasses or something - like a lot of over 40s! I am denial though as I still think I am "young", but clearly nature has other ideas!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


No probs, Beast. As an over 70 I sympathise with the glasses situation.  I have found varifocals bloody awful except for watching TV repeats whilst using an i-pad!!! On the move you can't see what your feet are doing. Mind the dog poo! I have to take them off to go downstairs or down a slope/jump a ditch etc. They are OK for driving because you can see both road and instrument panel, which helps. So I end up with long distance glasses for outside stuff, varifocals for specific situations, reading glasses for close up, and old pair of reading glasses which now suit pc use.  There are glasses/cases everywhere. I also have developing cataracts which now give me sort of multiple vision, which is strange if bird watching as you get 2-3 times the sightings everyone else gets!


40s is young, you are in your prime - but you will be surprised how quickly the years seem to zip by!


R.


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fairweather
12 May 2020 09:50:29


 


As a member of the 45 to 65 crowd that does not sound reassuring. Not at all! I doubt most of us in that age group have lived in the knowledge that we have a 2% chance of croaking imminently.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


You should worry, young man! But to try and get some perspective my knee replacement op had a 3% risk of a stroke and most people don't turn down the opportunity. Also that is for everybody in that age group and we know a high percentage had pre-existing conditions which will have weighted the average.


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Roger Parsons
12 May 2020 09:54:14


I think this is an interesting and informative post.


I’m 52 and in generally very good health. I had emergency surgery last year which saved my life after a short illness but have bounced back completely. At the time of surgery, I was told my chance of dying under the knife was 3%. I was more interested in the likelihood of ongoing health problems.


It is the same with this virus. I’m not afraid of dying. What I don’t want is to survive it but have ongoing severe health problems.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Same for me last year, Justin, and I have exactly the same take on it after quite a long struggle and recovery. I have bounced back and am doing well.


It was reassuring to know I had a "living will/advance decision" in place as I trundled into OT! I have since updated my "advance decision" - want to be sure that when I finally start lose my grip they don't keep me going as a "preparation".



R.


 


RogerP
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William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
xioni2
12 May 2020 09:54:31

If incidence of disease is dropped too low, a second spike will occur.
Read up on "the hammer and the dance". We are now in "the dance".

"lockdown" needs to be backed off to ensure a manageable number of people still catch it.

Originally Posted by: four 


That's not what 'the hammer and the dance' says.

xioni2
12 May 2020 09:56:01


They are using their commonsense without requiring a politician to decide what might be safe for them.
Restaurants with a small number of customers, in an area with low infection would be pretty safe especially if you are in the younger age range unlikely to notice even if you had it.


Originally Posted by: four 


I agree with this, but it could be worse for restaurants economically compared to staying closed! 

Caz
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12 May 2020 09:58:22


 


No probs, Beast. As an over 70 I sympathise with the glasses situation.  I have found varifocals bloody awful except for watching TV repeats whilst using an i-pad!!! On the move you can't see what your feet are doing. Mind the dog poo! I have to take them off to go downstairs or down a slope/jump a ditch etc. They are OK for driving because you can see both road and instrument panel, which helps. So I end up with long distance glasses for outside stuff, varifocals for specific situations, reading glasses for close up, and old pair of reading glasses which now suit pc use.  There are glasses/cases everywhere. I also have developing cataracts which now give me sort of multiple vision, which is strange if bird watching as you get 2-3 times the sightings everyone else gets!


40s is young, you are in your prime - but you will be surprised how quickly the years seem to zip by!


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

So the moral of the story is:  get some decent specs so you can see it zipping by!  


Seriously, I’ve had varifocals for a while and have had no problem. You just have to remember to move your head up and down to switch from close to distant and not just your eyes.  


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fairweather
12 May 2020 09:58:41


 


Yes, I apologise, I misread your post. My close distance eyesight is starting to fail me, I have been told I need varifocal glasses or something - like a lot of over 40s! I am denial though as I still think I am "young", but clearly nature has other ideas!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Benn there done that. First stage is +1.5 dioptre from the pound shop for reading. Ten pairs that you lose and sit on. As it gets worse you get fussy, as it becomes permanent you spend £250 on Zeiss varifocals ! That's when yo stop sitting on them.


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Bugglesgate
12 May 2020 10:01:24


 


You should worry, young man! But to try and get some perspective my knee replacement op had a 3% risk of a stroke and most people don't turn down the opportunity. Also that is for everybody in that age group and we know a high percentage had pre-existing conditions which will have weighted the average.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.


 


 


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speckledjim
12 May 2020 10:03:02


 


I agree with this, but it could be worse for restaurants economically compared to staying closed! 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I suspect that one bars/restaurants are allowed to open many won’t as the social distancing requirements will make them unviable as a business.


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fairweather
12 May 2020 10:06:28


If I’m right, you’ve calculated the death rate as 2% of infections.  So you’d have to catch it first and if you’re outside London there’s only a 4% chance of that.  So your survival rate is looking better already Brian!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Plus about 80%+ have pre-existing conditions. Assuming you don't and you went to a bookie you would probably get about 1000/1 .


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springsunshine
12 May 2020 10:07:23

If incidence of disease is dropped too low, a second spike will occur.
Read up on "the hammer and the dance". We are now in "the dance".

"lockdown" needs to be backed off to ensure a manageable number of people still catch it.
This can't be officially voiced without committing political suicide because most people still seem to think the government is somehow going to prevent them catching coronavirus.

What they are doing is smart and considered but would be politically unpopular if the real reasons for doing it were made clear.

Timescale may vary but we are aiming for the orange line, not the green one.

UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: four 


I think you have outlined the stratergy very accurately there. Herd immunity by stealth! As you say there would be absolute uproar if this was admitted but the reality is the virus is not going away and there is going to be a trade off between health and the economy to achieve a balance to stop the economy completely crashing and the number of infections/deaths getting too high.There is no getting away from the fact there are going to be casualties on a daily basis and reading between the lines the govt have envisaged x amount of deaths are acceptable as per the orange line.


If people think the government is going to prevent them from catching coronavirus,think again! It is now time for people to be personally responsible for themselves and others!!The onus is now on the individual not the government and this is what the new messege is saying.

fairweather
12 May 2020 10:08:26




They are using their commonsense without requiring a politician to decide what might be safe for them.
Restaurants with a small number of customers, in an area with low infection would be pretty safe especially if you are in the younger age range unlikely to notice even if you had it.


Originally Posted by: four 


The three old people you then pass it on to might though. Another one who doesn't understand transmisssion.


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Roger Parsons
12 May 2020 10:10:44


All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Many years ago I had a knee injury and I have to say it was far and away the worse pain I have ever had to endure and I would have been pleased to die. I would have said yes to any prospect of helpful treatment, whatever the risks. I think you will find Fairweather will have a similar opinion!


R.


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Roger Parsons
12 May 2020 10:13:24


So the moral of the story is:  get some decent specs so you can see it zipping by!  


Seriously, I’ve had varifocals for a while and have had no problem. You just have to remember to move your head up and down to switch from close to distant and not just your eyes.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Ah - must remember not to nod in an auction, Caz! Or anywhere else dodgy!



R.


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
fairweather
12 May 2020 10:13:27


 


Many years ago I had a knee injury and I have to say it was far and away the worse pain I have ever had to endure and I would have been pleased to die. I would have said yes to any prospect of helpful treatment, whatever the risks. I think you will find Fairweather will have a similar opinion!


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


 .. I was still worried about dying because I really like living 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
xioni2
12 May 2020 10:13:45


I think you have outlined the stratergy very accurately there. Herd immunity by stealth! 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


 


I'll repeat my wild prediction from a month ago: most people will never catch this virus.

Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 10:15:26

 


All true, but , presumably, you were in a great deal of pain with your knee and the op alleviated this. Those of us who are quite happy with our current well-being   would be taking a risk without any benefit.  We could die, or we could have long term health   problems.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Exactly the point.  Going to the pub now could mean a 2% risk of dying and a hangover to boot. Not exactly an appealing offer IMHO. Beast and Tim Martin may of course think otherwise.  


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Roger Parsons
12 May 2020 10:20:04


 .. I was still worried about dying because I really like living 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Good - glad to hear it, FW. Stay healthy.


p.s. While still in my pot leg, a fellow beekeeper injured his food in a combine bed. He had to move some beehives from a rough field and needed help. We managed it, with our plaster-cast-legs in fertiliser sacks to keep out the bees. What a struggle! You don't want stings inside your pot!



Did it hurt?


R.


 


 


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
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Gavin D
12 May 2020 10:51:10

Had an email from Dobbies stating what my local centre will be doing from tomorrow. This will be the same across all stores that they're able to reopen.


Social distancing measures we have put in place



  • We are limiting the number of customers in store at one time

  • A queuing system will be in operation outside the store

  • Two metre markers will be in place inside and outside of the store

  • Hand sanitising and trolley cleaning stations will be available at the store entrance

  • We have installed protective screens at our tills

  • We ask that customers pay by card or contactless if possible

  • Appropriate PPE has been provided for team members

  • Team members will receive training and regular briefings on how to keep themselves and customers safe

  • We are continuing our rigorous daily hygiene routines throughout the store


Our restaurants



  • Whilst our restaurants and soft play remain temporarily closed, we will be offering a takeaway menu from Friday 15th May including hot and cold drinks, soups, toasties, panini and selected bakery items.

  • Club Plus members will also be able to redeem their hot drink credits and birthday treat vouchers.

Caz
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12 May 2020 10:52:16


 


Plus about 80%+ have pre-existing conditions. Assuming you don't and you went to a bookie you would probably get about 1000/1 .


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

  Ahh yes!  That’s also true!  We’ll keep Brian out of ICU yet!  


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Brian Gaze
12 May 2020 10:55:02


Had an email from Dobbies stating what my local centre will be doing from tomorrow. This will be the same across all stores that they're able to reopen.


Social distancing measures we have put in place



  • We are limiting the number of customers in store at one time

  • A queuing system will be in operation outside the store

  • Two metre markers will be in place inside and outside of the store

  • Hand sanitising and trolley cleaning stations will be available at the store entrance

  • We have installed protective screens at our tills

  • We ask that customers pay by card or contactless if possible

  • Appropriate PPE has been provided for team members

  • Team members will receive training and regular briefings on how to keep themselves and customers safe

  • We are continuing our rigorous daily hygiene routines throughout the store


Our restaurants



  • Whilst our restaurants and soft play remain temporarily closed, we will be offering a takeaway menu from Friday 15th May including hot and cold drinks, soups, toasties, panini and selected bakery items.

  • Club Plus members will also be able to redeem their hot drink credits and birthday treat vouchers.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Just had something similar from Hillier's. Best of British to them with that. I'll be sticking to online. 


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Caz
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12 May 2020 10:57:41


 


Exactly the point.  Going to the pub now could mean a 2% risk of dying and a hangover to boot. Not exactly an appealing offer IMHO. Beast and Tim Martin may of course think otherwise.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Not quite Brian!  You only have a 4% chance of catching it and from that 4%, you only have a 2% chance of dying if you have an underlying problem.  Don’t worry.  We’ve got you covered!  


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