I wrote earlier that the vast majority of younger people with decent health and no apparent underlying conditions, can get the virus either asymptomatically or else suffering little more than you would with a dose of flu.

There are a few outliers who suffer as badly as Nick Codero- the medical experts need to investigate these cases fully to see whether there is a genetic marker which can make some people more susceptible, or is it otherwise that these outliers have some underlying conditions which had previously gone undetected?

It is important to understand these cases, since if an underlying factor can be established, those at risk could be detected and warned.

That in itself should bring down any PM, but this ++ seems to get a free pass on anything

Most of these deaths are preventable. In Germany, no health worker has died 

I don't appreciate the word you have used to refer to the Prime Minister.

Germany is an outlier - our figures are in the same range as for France, Italy and Spain.

The key thing the UK government has achieved is to get through this wave of the pandemic without the NHS being overwhelmed - we  should at least be grateful for that.

Did the police ever catch him? Were you injured?

It's not dying that you and I need to worry about (though I probably am at risk, being a fat fucker!), its the virus doing other long term damage to your body that Hutch mentioned earlier

If you look at our PM, he is clearly not the same man he was

What about "piccaninie with a water melon smile"?

Or "Tank topped Bum Boy"

Or "letter boxes and bank-robbers" 

and many more examples.

The police sent me a nice email a week later saying that there were no leads, so they were dropping the case. (It was a blond guy, late teens / early 20s, driving a small early 2000s 3-door red VW hatchback car, with a stoved-in drivers door - I didn't get the reg number). I wasn't injured as it was a very low speed collision - even so, the bumper replacement cost my insurer over £1800... and even with protected no-claims, it made my insurance go up by £60 a year. Not impressed and I hope he got a rollocking for it from his wife/parents/partner!

As for after effects, I would wager most wouldn't notice much afterwards, although as ever more research would be useful. Remember that a bad dose of regular flu can cause all sorts of after-effects too... esecially in terms of lung capacity and similar issues.

I absolutely agree. I said when that 13 year old lad died early in the crisis that they should perform a full autopsy. But they didn't, and allowed that stupid idiocy called 'religious practice' to get in the way and they had him 6 foot under within 48 hours. 

A full autopsy could have given clues as to why a minority of apparently healthy people with no underlying conditions are hit so hard. But no, religion and all that - and you can't offend the religious f***wits.

If the cap fits...

Anyway, you used to mock a PM for having previously lost an eye. Your highhorse had its legs chopped off long ago.

If my parents were alive, I’d be doing exactly the same and my kids are doing it with us.  They usually bring shopping but only because I can always find something I want, though not necessarily need.  But I always want to see them!  I can put up with not having a hug now.  It creased me to begin with but at least I can see them.

We’re pushing boundaries but to safe limits.  It’s no different from being in a supermarket with other people, in fact it’s much safer!  I am quite sure the powers that be know we’re all doing this but turn a blind eye and I think they expected it.

If they’d allowed this from the beginning, we’d have pushed the boundaries, as we do, even further and into unsafe territory.  Yes, we’ve seen the media reports!  Some are pushing beyond safe limits, the few not using common sense and imagine how much further they’d go given a chance!  

I really do think it’s about using your noddle!

Each to their own but I'd sooner sit in the garden than go down the motorhome / caravan route.

According to the RKI at least 8 German health workers have died. 

A second point is that the ONS data have shown:

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  Healthcare workers, including those with jobs such as doctors and nurses, were not found to have higher rates of death involving COVID-19 when compared with the rate among those whose death involved COVID-19 of the same age and sex in the general population.

  
  

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19relateddeathsbyoccupationenglandandwales/deathsregistereduptoandincluding20april2020

Yes of course the current picture in Germany is and indeed has been better than the U.K. but get your facts straight.

And most other countries apart from the ones you mention! Just because America, Russia, Brazil, Italy, Spain and France have done badly too, doesn't make it OK!

Yes, the families of the hundreds of dead NHS, social care, transport and other frontline workers should be grateful. It's too bad their loved ones died because they were sent to the front line without proper PPE

Same here. If it doesn't include a concierge then it's not for me.

I can't think of anything worse than trundling about the countryside   in a motorhome or caravan to be honest - everyone hates  you and it's a pain in the arse for you - I mean, what's to like  ?

An old boss of mine  brought a  huge Motorhome (2 stories) and decided to go to Cornwall in it.  His fuel bill was stupendous, and he spent most of the week going backwards down  narrow rocked lined roads.   He sold the ruddy thing shortly afterwards and  the next year they booked a nice hotel in Tuscany  

Fair enough, but I did read an article recently that said no deaths had occurred, so perhaps the deaths were counted more recently, But the wider point I made  is still valid. In South Korea, I believe its correct to say that no healthcare worker has died

As for the ONS, many of the dead NHS staff were in the older category anyway, so perhaps that's why? But the point stands that if they caught the virus in their place of work, then that's the fault of their employer for not providing adequate PPE

NEW: Starmer has written to PM about inaccurate comments he made in the House of Commons about govt guidance on care homes. Asks the PM to come to the Commons to correct the record pic.twitter.com/ReozNyfYfW

— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) May 13, 2020

UK data

• Number of tests - 87,063


• People tested - 61,741


• Positive tests - 3,242


• All settings deaths - 494

When the weather warms up again we will probably put the tent up in the garden and have a "camping weekend". The kids will enjoy it, and so will I to be honest.

(Of course it helps when you know there is a shower, cooker and well-stocked fridge just indoors... and a bed if you get desperate!)

Today's data shows the earliest reported death in England is March 27th whilst May 11th has the largest single day total