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Devonian
16 May 2020 12:04:46




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


How many of them signed the pledge? The pledge not to receive treatment if the get sick and to pay the cost of treatment for those they infect.


Not one of them.


Selfish loons the lot of them.

RobN
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16 May 2020 12:30:38


 


I've been trying to be supportive of the government in the sense that there are a lot of dilemmas and although they weren't doing great it wasn't easy.


But that all changed yesterday for me with Hancock. It was such blatant lying and mis-representation and self congratulation regarding care homes that I no longer have any confidence in any of them.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I was prepared to the gov't the benefit of the doubt initially as the epidemic is a hugely difficult problem for any gov't to deal with.


But as you say the lying and presentation of information which is easily verifiable to be untrue has been breath taking.


Honesty is always the best policy in these situations otherwise no-one will believe anything you say.


The unmistakable conclusion is the gov't is crooked as well as incompetent.


 


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
The Beast from the East
16 May 2020 12:48:59


 


 


We knew you would defend the Tory Party come what may. If Johnson ordered all migrants to be put up against a wall and shot, you would find some way to justify that!


 


 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


He'd actually cheer that! 


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Brian Gaze
16 May 2020 12:50:29


Coronavirus: A 3rd of hospital patients develop dangerous blood clots.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52662065


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


One of the big problems is we don't know anything about the medium to long term effects of C19. That is another reason why letting it rip carries a huge risk. Even in economic terms the cost could be enormous due to the increased requirement for medical care and the reduced productivity of the workforce. On top of that we have no idea whether immunity lasts more than a few months. 


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Brian Gaze
16 May 2020 12:54:03


 


I've been trying to be supportive of the government in the sense that there are a lot of dilemmas and although they weren't doing great it wasn't easy.


But that all changed yesterday for me with Hancock. It was such blatant lying and mis-representation and self congratulation regarding care homes that I no longer have any confidence in any of them.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I think Hancock is the type of Tory who could be described as being "not a very nice man". Having been an active member of the party in the past I can assure you the description does not apply to all. For example, I was fortunate enough to meet Sir Geoffrey Howe on two occasions and both times he was courteous to me and always appeared to treat his staff and those around him with dignity, regardless of their status. 


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Bugglesgate
16 May 2020 12:58:36


 


One of the big problems is we don't know anything about the medium to long term effects of C19. That is another reason why letting it rip carries a huge risk. Even in economic terms the cost could be enormous due to the increased requirement for medical care and the reduced productivity of the workforce. On top of that we have no idea whether immunity lasts more than a few months. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 



Absolutely.


When this started I was   quite keen on  contracting it to "get it over with".  That now seems like a foolhardy idea even for someone ho isn't  in the maximum  risk age group and with no underling health issues 


Seems to me this  wretched thing could well give you a load of "underlying health issues"  even if it doesn't finish you off !


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Gavin D
16 May 2020 13:00:04
Wales has reported 183 new cases and 18 new deaths
Gavin D
16 May 2020 13:01:19

NHS England has reported 181 new hospital deaths down from 186 yesterday


 


Last Saturday. NHS England reported 207 new hospital deaths. Data included lower counting from bank holiday Friday.

Gavin D
16 May 2020 13:02:20
Jeremy Corbyns brother has been arrested during a protest in London's Hyde Park
fairweather
16 May 2020 13:02:53


 


I think Hancock is the type of Tory who could be described as being "not a very nice man". Having been an active member of the party in the past I can assure you the description does not apply to all. For example, I was fortunate enough to meet Sir Geoffrey Howe on two occasions and both times he was courteous to me and always appeared to treat his staff and those around him with dignity, regardless of their status. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes and people like Ken Clarke and even someone like Heseltine who was once seen as on the right of the Party now seem like reasonable and decent human beings.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Gavin D
16 May 2020 13:03:07
Scotland has reported 187 new cases and 41 new deaths
Gavin D
16 May 2020 13:05:55
Northern Ireland has reported 40 new cases and 4 new deaths
Quantum
16 May 2020 13:07:41

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYJCh8AXQAcrQT8?format=jpg&name=small


This kind of thing is why the police needs to step back and think about what they are doing.


Should he have done that? No.


Will the optics of publicizing this rather than dealing with it quietly do more harm than good? Obviously.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
16 May 2020 13:24:37

The backdated data today for England shows the earliest death was April 4th with May 14th the highest single reporting day



  • 39 on May 15th

  • 89 on May 14th

  • 22 on May 13th

  • 23 between May 3rd and May 12th

  • 8 in April with one on April 4th

The Beast from the East
16 May 2020 13:25:05


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Ulric
16 May 2020 13:26:11



  • who hasn't fallen for some crap on the internet believing it at the time?


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Well, that's what we voted for!


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
The Beast from the East
16 May 2020 13:26:35


 


It's just occurred to me that "we are following the science" has become used a bit like one of their slogans. I'm beginning to wonder if it's part of a prepared blame game if things go even worse than they have so far. Then it becomes " well we did follow the Science", like we were "just obeying orders"


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


This shower are expert at only 3 things - slogans, lying and xenophobia


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
16 May 2020 13:33:07


On the young peoples lung scarring front, I think it would be more sensible to look at the risk of scarring in young people versus the risk of scarring they already face and seeing if it's significant or not. If not then unless you're saying all children should be kept isolated to protect them from everything that they're already at risk of getting or suffering from, the policy should be allow them to get on with it (looking purely at this issue and not whether it would spread the disease etc. before some decides to imply that from my post).


My brother for example got pleurisy last year and ended up with scarring from that. Clearly that's bad and I imagine something that happens to people from all age groups every year. Is the risk from covid more or less than from seasonal flu and other viruses?


Something bad happening to Mildred from number 42 is terrible but not something you'd necessarily base a societal response on. Something bad happening to 1 in 1000 people etc probably would be something you'd put specific processes in place to avoid/mitigate.


 


Originally Posted by: Hippydave 


CDC in America have issued an alert for the Kawasaki type disease in children that we know about, and cases across the country are now rising again and death toll expected to pass 100,000 before the end of the month


Johnson is following a similar path. The economy is important of course, but as Justin always mentions, we can afford to print lots of money and give it to people without risking inflation just yet


The US and UK are alone in their reckless approach and re-opening without a test and trace programme, and infection levels are too high to be able to track and isolate the disease anyway.


But lets get the media to spend the day attacking teachers and Sadiq Khan


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
JHutch
16 May 2020 13:34:19


The backdated data today for England shows the earliest death was April 4th with May 14th the highest single reporting day



  • 39 on May 15th

  • 89 on May 14th

  • 22 on May 13th

  • 23 between May 3rd and May 12th

  • 8 in April with one on April 4th


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Despite last Saturday covering a bank holiday's data i think that there was slightly more backdating last Saturday than this Saturday. Still looks like a slight downward trend after the plateau just over a week ago.

The Beast from the East
16 May 2020 13:39:32

Just to contrast how seriously other countries take things. Sri Lanka going back into curfew until Monday after just TWO new cases!


 




"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
springsunshine
16 May 2020 13:43:47

Jeremy Corbyns brother has been arrested during a protest in London's Hyde Park

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Clearly, insanity is a trait in the Corbyn family!

bledur
16 May 2020 13:50:54


 


She retweeted it with the comment ‘revealing’.


That is promoting a lie. You are a poltroon, Richard. We are all laughing at you.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 Poltroon means utter or spiritless coward so i think you are a little confused .

fairweather
16 May 2020 13:59:18


 


Clearly, insanity is a trait in the Corbyn family!


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


But which traits do you find insane - the left wing compassionate idealist or the right wing lockdown breaker and global warming denier?


S.Essex, 42m ASL
doctormog
16 May 2020 14:04:55

“Two planned anti-lockdown protests didn’t take place today after members of the public in Aberdeen continued to follow the Scottish Government’s guidelines.

Photographers from the Evening Express were at both of the events in the city with not a single protester seen at either location.”


https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/news/local/aberdeen-lockdown-protests-deserted-after-public-sticks-to-police-advice/ 



Retron
16 May 2020 14:18:02


And at the other end of Britain...


Tourists fail to flock to Kent's beaches and 'anti coronavirus' mass gatherings in Margate and Folkestone amount to nothing


Fears of a flood of tourists flocking to many of our beaches as a result of a relaxation of lockdown measures failed to materialise on Saturday.


And mass gatherings proposed in two of our towns, spread on social media by those opposed to any form of lockdown, also failed to attract crowds.


https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/beaches-empty-as-day-trippers-heed-warnings-227294/


Good news all round!


Leysdown, north Kent

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