Because they're representing the interests of  their members and protecting their health/lives by seeking to make working conditions as absolutely safe as reasonably possible and getting binding - and national/universal - agreements in place before consenting to return.

That's the whole raison d'etre of unions.

The government is being reckless in trying to plough through restriction relaxations without the proper measures in place to stop this pandemic reaching the point again where it threatens to overwhelm the NHS and lead to death figures that dwarf the current 60k.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

 But that £90k buys membership of the Old School Tie Network, where you are guaranteed power and privilege and a whopping great salary regardless of merit.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Speaking as one who, compared with you, is very, very poor 

Originally Posted by: Essan 

And a lifetime of envy from others who also have far more than they need, but much less than they want  


Speaking as one who, compared with you, is very, very poor 

Originally Posted by: Essan 

But that £90k buys membership of the Old School Tie Network, where you are guaranteed power and privilege and a whopping great salary regardless of merit.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Oxford to mass produce the vaccine with 30 million ready by September.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

A top Public School I know had a special relationship with a local Comprehensive School with the aim of improving "views" on both sides. The thing that most struck the comp kids was that the annual fees [then] per pupil in the public school exceeded their parents' annual family incomes. I suspect the quality of teaching was similar in both institutions, certainly very good, and the abilities of pupils was not that different either - also very good - so what was the advantage in the private sector?  Getting kids away from their parents and peers for much of the year? You tell me.

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Oxford to mass produce the vaccine with 30 million ready by September.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

I agree with that Roger, perhaps there ought to be a different thread to discuss this - I can't find a current version.

Originally Posted by: llamedos 

If they can do that it really would be an outstanding feat of Human ingenuity.

Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

Threads often hark back to issues such as fairness, equitability and fulfilling human potential. A "fairness" thread would probably deteriorate into "Fascists versus Dave Sparts" - but often it's a bit like that already. You never know - some good ideas might emerge from the primal slime.

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Oxford to mass produce the vaccine with 30 million ready by September.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

... if the trials are successful. A slightly important point.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

Professor Pangloss suggests the virus could burn out before a vaccine arrives. Wrt more immunity than estimated wouldn't it imply infections in older adults would probably be at a lower level than in younger ones?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

What's the saying... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

First waves always fizzle out eventually, or rather die down to background noise, so the professor isn't saying anything new.

The key is not to repeat what happened in the likes of 1918!

(Chart from Wiki, showing the second and third wave of the 1918 flu outbreak in London).

Originally Posted by: Retron 

A top Public School I know had a special relationship with a local Comprehensive School with the aim of improving "views" on both sides. The thing that most struck the comp kids was that the annual fees [then] per pupil in the public school exceeded their parents' annual family incomes. I suspect the quality of teaching was similar in both institutions, certainly very good, and the abilities of pupils was not that different either - also very good - so what was the advantage in the private sector?  Getting kids away from their parents and peers for much of the year? You tell me.

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Professor Pangloss suggests the virus could burn out before a vaccine arrives. Wrt more immunity than estimated wouldn't it imply infections in older adults would probably be at a lower level than in younger ones?

There is a real chance that the virus will burn out naturally before any vaccine is developed.

We are seeing a roughly similar pattern everywhere - I suspect we have more immunity than estimated.

We need to keep slowing the virus, but it could be petering out by itself.

— Professor Karol Sikora (@ProfKarolSikora) May 16, 2020

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Professor Pangloss suggests the virus could burn out before a vaccine arrives. Wrt more immunity than estimated wouldn't it imply infections in older adults would probably be at a lower level than in younger ones?

There is a real chance that the virus will burn out naturally before any vaccine is developed.

We are seeing a roughly similar pattern everywhere - I suspect we have more immunity than estimated.

We need to keep slowing the virus, but it could be petering out by itself.

— Professor Karol Sikora (@ProfKarolSikora) May 16, 2020

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

He's a dangerous twat. He is not an expert in this field, but tries to pass himself off as such. Check him out on wikipedia.

Originally Posted by: NickR