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JHutch
18 May 2020 16:25:53

9,408 in hospital down from 10,035 yesterday and down 13% since last week

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


9,408 in hospital is today's figure in Great Britain. Figure for Great Britain yesterday was 9,406. They are including N Ireland in the yesterday figures (to get the 10,035) but not the today figures again. There is a general downwards trend regardless but they shouldn't compare like this.

westv
18 May 2020 16:28:16


The mobility data is from i-phones only. Although the market share in the UK with android is about 50/50 I would think the data will be skewed towards the higher income groups as there are far more "affordable" Android phones available.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


As long as the same data source is used every time I wouldn't have thought that would have mattered.


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
18 May 2020 16:30:04

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +47 (0.2%) 26,487

  • Midlands +234 (1.0%) 24,250

  • North West +176 (0.7%) 23,786

  • North East and Yorkshire +127 (0.6%) 22,826

  • South East +103 (0.5%) 20,328

  • East of England +97 (0.7%) 13,129

  • South West +21 (0.3%) 7,315


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +34 (0.8%) 4,475

  2. Lancashire +11 (0.3%) 3,351

  3. Birmingham +28 (0.8%) 3,303

  4. Hampshire +11 (0.3%) 3,168

  5. Essex +20 (0.6%) 3,084

  6. Surrey +8 (0.3%) 2,819

  7. Hertfordshire +33 (1.2%) 2,761

  8. Sheffield +5 (0.2%) 2,477

  9. Cumbria +3 (0.1%) 2,145

  10. Staffordshire +19 (0.9%) 2,090


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland 32 - No change

  2. North East Lincolnshire +2 (1.4%) 148

  3. Isle of Wight +1 (0.6%) 178

  4. Torbay 221 - No change

  5. Bath and North East Somerset +1 (0.4%) 228

  6. Bracknell Forest +1 (0.4%) 236

  7. Windsor and Maidenhead +2 (0.7%) 280

  8. Calderdale 283 - No change

  9. Hartlepool 295 - No change

  10. Portsmouth 312 - No change

ozone_aurora
18 May 2020 16:34:27


 


Get outside and enjoy the glorious weather and all those on furlough make the bloody most of this extended time off as it won't happen again until you retire!! I am out fishing pretty much every other day now and absolutely loving not having to go to work The chances of catching the virus outside are slim to none as long as you are sensible and careful. My motto is out of adversity comes opportunity.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Well said! Nothing like fresh air, nice hobby, sunshine, relaxation & common sense in doing you good.
For me, getting outside to look up through my telescope & doing photography to take my mind off bad things. 
 

David M Porter
18 May 2020 16:36:26


I think you’re right on both counts!  Speculation can do more harm than good!  Best to wait until the scientists themselves announce developments!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Absolutely, Caz.


It is OK for politicians, journalists and we in the general public to speculate all we like. The best thing we can and should all do is to let the scientists get on with what they are doing. If we leave then along to continue with their efforts to find a safe and effective vaccine, then IMO the chances of one coming along one day will be improved considerably.


 


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fairweather
18 May 2020 16:37:35


 


As long as the same data source is used every time I wouldn't have thought that would have mattered.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Yes, of course you are right - at least for the up down trend that is all that matters.


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Brian Gaze
18 May 2020 16:47:21

Better news from the US. Trump's vaccine looks more promising than Oxford's. In fact I reckon Trump's vaccine will be the greatest vaccine ever. 


Coronavirus vaccine in first human trial shows signs of creating immunity


Potential vaccine appears safe and created 'neutralising antibodies'


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/18/coronavirus-vaccine-first-human-trial-shows-signs-creating-immunity/


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Brian Gaze
18 May 2020 16:51:49

Question about the NHS app-ocalyspe met with a straight bat by Raab. Has anyone heard what the current status actually is with the app? There were rumours a second one using the Google API was being developed. No idea if that is the case.  


Gary Gibbon, from Channel 4, suggests the timetable for the tracing app has "slipped somewhat" and the length of time it is taking to return test results is also holding the UK back.


Mr Raab says it is a perfectly reasonable question and the UK will be "learning lessons" as the tracing process unfolds.


 


Edit: Just seen this on the BBC


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52709568


If they can't even spin it past "tech guru" Kettle-Jones one can only assume it is pants at the moment.


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NickR
18 May 2020 17:21:20


 


 


From my recollection of the positive story the other day, the vaccine may:


 


Reduce infection within the lungs and severity of symptoms. But not on its presence in the nose/throat.


So people who are vaccinated are more likely to have weak symptoms but can still pass it on.


 


Not ideal , but better than nothing?


 


Will be interesting to see whether countries rush for a suboptimal vaccine or hold out for a more effective one.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Tim A 


The reporting here of this vaccine is way off. The results in primates were very promising. It was a single dose that was given against a high viral load, including nasal infection (unlike other vaccine tests). The impact a single dose had (when the vaccine is not envisaged as single dose) was significant and promising.


Might I suggest this is one of those moments when Twitter IS useful rather than simply latching onto an article that has now been passed around different media outlets. On Twitter a whole series of epidemiologists have stepped in to critique this negative take.


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Phil G
18 May 2020 17:24:47


UK data



  • Tests - 100,678

  • People tested - 67,409

  • Positive cases - 2,684

  • All settings deaths - 160


 

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Positive (new) cases first time below 3k since 30 March.

Retron
18 May 2020 17:25:44


The reporting here of this vaccine is way off.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


It's still not as good as the Chinese vaccine though, which successfully stopped a reinfection entirely. They gave them two doses - would the Oxford vaccine have fared better with two doses, perhaps?


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports


Researchers from Sinovac Biotech, a privately held Beijing-based company, gave two different doses of their COVID-19 vaccine to a total of eight rhesus macaques. Three weeks later, the group introduced SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, into the monkeys’ lungs through tubes down their tracheas, and none developed a full-blown infection.


and as Forbes reports:


All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. This observation is in marked contrast to the results reported from Sinovac trial. At the highest dose studied, no virus was recovered from vaccinated monkeys from the throat, lung, or rectum of the vaccinated animals. 


https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/#3dd0c8663c71


 


 


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Joe Bloggs
18 May 2020 17:29:36


 


The reporting here of this vaccine is way off. The results in primates were very promising. It was a single dose that was given against a high viral load, including nasal infection (unlike other vaccine tests). The impact a single dose had (when the vaccine is not envisaged as single dose) was significant and promising.


Might I suggest this is one of those moments when Twitter IS useful rather than simply latching onto an article that has now been passed around different media outlets. On Twitter a whole series of epidemiologists have stepped in to critique this negative take.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Thanks Nick.


Definitely a time to be wary of media articles. I think it says a lot that at least two mainstream news outlets have interpreted this vaccine progress completely differently. 



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NickR
18 May 2020 17:34:47


 


It's still not as good as the Chinese vaccine though, which successfully stopped a reinfection entirely. They gave them two doses - would the Oxford vaccine have fared better with two doses, perhaps?


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports


Researchers from Sinovac Biotech, a privately held Beijing-based company, gave two different doses of their COVID-19 vaccine to a total of eight rhesus macaques. Three weeks later, the group introduced SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, into the monkeys’ lungs through tubes down their tracheas, and none developed a full-blown infection.


and as Forbes reports:


All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. This observation is in marked contrast to the results reported from Sinovac trial. At the highest dose studied, no virus was recovered from vaccinated monkeys from the throat, lung, or rectum of the vaccinated animals. 


https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/#3dd0c8663c71


 


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


As usual, the details reveal it is not so clear-cut.


Sinovac gave 3 doses, I think; Oxford 1.


Oxford vaccine was challenged with a dose of the virus that was 2.6 times higher than the Sinovac trial.


Sinovac trials did not challenge the animals via the nose, only via tubes.


Sinovac did not test for nasal shedding at all, unlike Oxford.


 


Not saying this means the Oxford vaccine is NOT below the Chinese one in how promising it is, just that that Forbes report - on which the articles are based - does NOT tell the whole story, and has been seriously caveated by epidemiologists.


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Retron
18 May 2020 17:35:13

Meanwhile in human trials of an American vaccine...


The first coronavirus vaccine tested on humans appears safe and generated antibodies which stopped the virus replicating, according to early trial results shared on Monday


Eight healthy volunteers saw few adverse effects after taking two doses of the potential vaccine, according to Moderna, its manufacturer based in Massachusetts. 


It appeared to trigger an immune response - the critical requirement of a working vaccine - producing "neutralising antibodies" in all eight of the patients. 


The levels of those antibodies were similar to that found in people who caught Covid-19 and then recovered. 


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/18/coronavirus-vaccine-first-human-trial-shows-signs-creating-immunity/


 


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Caz
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18 May 2020 17:35:48


Two observations:-



  1. Confirmed cases 2,684 which is down. Yet this was described as a "continuous fall" which it clearly isn't as the previous five points on his graph were indicating a plateau or  in fact a slight rise ! 

  2.  The mobility data is from i-phones only. Although the market share in the UK with android is about 50/50 I would think the data will be skewed towards the higher income groups as there are far more "affordable" Android phones available.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

With confirmed cases, there is a lag with results of up to several days.  So those results returned yesterday are not the tests taken yesterday.  You would hope those in ‘the know’ would make allowances for this, which could explain their reference to ‘continuous fall, but I’d also expect them to state this for the sake of clarity!  It does appear that the case numbers are falling though.  


Gavin does the test percentages but they’re wrong because he calculates yesterday’s returned results against yesterday’s tests conducted.  It’s misleading, but he does a great job posting the up to date stats!  


Hospital admissions are down though, which suggests a high proportion of those testing positive, are milder cases. 


All in all, it’s currently looking better.  Let’s hope we can keep it that way!  


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Retron
18 May 2020 17:36:52


Not saying this means the Oxford vaccine is NOT below the Chinese one in how promising it is, just that that Forbes report - on which the articles are based - does NOT tell the whole story, and has been seriously caveated by epidemiologists.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Indeed, it would be good to get some consistency in testing methods - it makes it very hard to compare results!


(Incidentally, something which would normally be greeted with howls of outrage - testing on monkeys - is now seen in a good light. It's funny the way things change over time!)


 


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The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 17:37:26


 


9,408 in hospital is today's figure in Great Britain. Figure for Great Britain yesterday was 9,406. 


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


So not a "sustained fall" as Van Dam claims. Shame when scientists are roped into doing Govt PR


 


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The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 17:40:28


 


Indeed, it would be good to get some consistency in testing methods - it makes it very hard to compare results!


(Incidentally, something which would normally be greeted with howls of outrage - testing on monkeys - is now seen in a good light. It's funny the way things change over time!)


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes, I suppose its a bit like when you are starving, even a vegan would eat meat if it was all that was available


I would like to know what happens to the monkeys afterwards. I hope the Chinese don't turn them into soup


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fairweather
18 May 2020 17:42:02


With confirmed cases, there is a lag with results of up to several days.  So those results returned yesterday are not the tests taken yesterday.  You would hope those in ‘the know’ would make allowances for this, which could explain their reference to ‘continuous fall, but I’d also expect them to state this for the sake of clarity!  It does appear that the case numbers are falling though.  


Gavin does the test percentages but they’re wrong because he calculates yesterday’s returned results against yesterday’s tests conducted.  It’s misleading, but he does a great job posting the up to date stats!  


Hospital admissions are down though, which suggests a high proportion of those testing positive, are milder cases. 


All in all, it’s currently looking better.  Let’s hope we can keep it that way!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Yes, I think if we take a step back and look at where we are now compared to a month ago we are in a better place, irrespective of the reasons how we got here or who has been right or wrong! 


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fairweather
18 May 2020 17:44:27


 


So not a "sustained fall" as Van Dam claims. Shame when scientists are roped into doing Govt PR


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I think over a longer period these trends are down but they shouldn't keep ignoring the blips to spin the preferred outcome. That's how you end up with the next excuse which is "it's easy with hindsight".


 


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The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 17:53:18


 


Yes, I think if we take a step back and look at where we are now compared to a month ago we are in a better place, irrespective of the reasons how we got here or who has been right or wrong! 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Yes, the lockdown was working, just a shame Boris ended it last Sunday. We wont know what the consequences of that will be for another few weeks


Where is Boris? Gone on another holiday?


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fairweather
18 May 2020 18:02:26


 


Yes, the lockdown was working, just a shame Boris ended it last Sunday. We wont know what the consequences of that will be for another few weeks


Where is Boris? Gone on another holiday?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I was thinking that. Hardly ever in view these days. He is either still not that well, which is quite possible, or is realising this job isn't quite the cakewalk he was expecting and wants out!


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Caz
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18 May 2020 18:04:20


Yes, the lockdown was working, just a shame Boris ended it last Sunday. We wont know what the consequences of that will be for another few weeks


Where is Boris? Gone on another holiday?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

If everyone followed the rules, there would no reason for cases to rise.  We all need to take some responsibility for our actions!  The blame game can’t be played if you’re dead!


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The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 18:49:05

Another one bites the dust


 




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RobN
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18 May 2020 18:59:41


 


Yes, the lockdown was working, just a shame Boris ended it last Sunday. We wont know what the consequences of that will be for another few weeks


Where is Boris? Gone on another holiday?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


He should be out there rubbing noses with his enthusiastic supporters like Bolsonaro.


Although even Bolsonaro is wearing a face mask now


Bolsonaro snubs health advice, snaps photos with children


Bolsonaro's latest flouting of social-distancing guidelines comes after he lost two health ministers in a month.


Wearing a face mask, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro posed for photographs with children plucked out of a crowd of supporters on Sunday, disregarding public health advice aimed at containing one of the world's worst coronavirus outbreaks.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/brazil-bolsonaro-snubs-health-advice-snaps-photos-children-200518150403905.html


 


 


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