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Gavin D
20 May 2020 12:59:37
Wales has reported 110 new cases and 14 new deaths
Gavin D
20 May 2020 13:01:03
NHS England has reported 166 new hospital deaths down from 174 yesterday

Last Wednesday. NHS England reported 244 new hospital deaths
Quantum
20 May 2020 13:01:20




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Well this is a good example. Priti could have asked the HO to draft up a sensible berevement scheme to give those who work in healthcare indefinite leave to remain. The HO might have then left out these lower skilled workers. Equally it could have been her own personal oversight. The reality is we don't know who is to blame here and who screwed up. Ofc I'd expect this to be corrected now it has come to light.


 


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The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 13:02:44


 


The virus is indiscriminate when it targets older people, so I don't know where "poorer pensioners" comes from - some of those in care homes are very well off (and paying for the privilege). Agree about urbanites and BAME - it is self evident that city dwellers will be more at risk, because of the crowds, but we don't know why BAME are more at risk - that is still under investigation - it is not simply class, poverty or crowded living conditions - some of those from an ethnic background who have died are well off and working with white colleagues who don't suffer in the same way.  We will have to see what they uncover on that particular topic.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


If you look at the care homes worst affected, they tend to be cheaper ones that maybe didn't have PPE etc?


As for BAME, I think its a mixture of factors - they tend to work in public facing jobs (healthcare, transport, cleaners etc), and live in urban areas in multi generational households.


Also a genetic factor with more ACE2 receptors in the lungs (I don't understand the science of this, but its what I have heard)


 


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Gavin D
20 May 2020 13:03:56
Scotland has reported 96 new cases and 50 new deaths
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 13:04:21


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Quantum
20 May 2020 13:04:48


 


Good illustration why the argument shouldn't really be about whether we should borrow which feels like party politics as usual but when we should borrow.


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Gavin D
20 May 2020 13:06:26
147 of the 166 deaths announced today by NHS England were within the last 10 days
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 13:08:27


 


Well this is a good example. Priti could have asked the HO to draft up a sensible berevement scheme to give those who work in healthcare indefinite leave to remain. The HO might have then left out these lower skilled workers. Equally it could have been her own personal oversight. The reality is we don't know who is to blame here and who screwed up. Ofc I'd expect this to be corrected now it has come to light.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Thank God for scrutiny eh, not just slavish support of the govt


Priti and the word "sensible" don't mix. She is a (series of words the profanity filter would block)


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Quantum
20 May 2020 13:11:09


 


Thank God for scrutiny eh, not just slavish support of the govt


Priti and the word "sensible" don't mix. She is a (series of words the profanity filter would block)


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I'm fine with scrutiny. Not so fine with journalists making a big song and dance about a single comms error in a twitter post and trying to pass it off as govt policy (100k tests scandal).


 


 


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Justin W
20 May 2020 13:11:28


 


Yes - shocking.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Such precociousness is touching.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
speckledjim
20 May 2020 13:30:22


And no I'm not bipolar, I am a little cabin fevered though after enduring months of this lockdown. I appolgise for some of my more egregious outbursts last week.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Insults are the sign of a small mind so just ignore him.....I might not agree with many of your opinions but you are entitled to them so don’t stop.


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Saint Snow
20 May 2020 13:33:08


 


Gandalf, can you name a country in the world that overestimates its healthcare more than the UK does?


What proportion of the UK population think UK healthcare is the best in the world? It has to be at least 75%. Look at the Olympic games opening ceramony. The NHS is literally part of our culture. And that is not a good thing because it blinds us to its faults in a way that no other country is. The same is true of America and guns.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


I just don't agree with your '75%' figure you've plucked from up your rectum.


I think people are deeply glad that the NHS is funded out of general taxation - or, in other words, free at the point of need.


I also think people are naturally suspicious of those wanting to fund it differently, because 1) the loudest shouters against the NHS tend to be either those with higher incomes & wealth (who'd stand to gain the most with, say, a 3- or 5-percentage point income tax reduction if the NHS was funded by more direct contributions) or those who are forelock-tuggers towards the wealthy and want a low-tax state; and 2) there's a suspicion that, whilst some European countries have health services funded moderately equitably, we'd likely end up with a system more like the American one, which is hugely regressive in how people pay for it.


Yes, the NHS is far from perfect - it is too decentralised causing replication of jobs and there's far too many non-clinical roles and, as GtW pointed out, suffers from mission creep - but I'm massively protective of the principle of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


 



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Gandalf The White
20 May 2020 13:37:09


 


That objection was based on misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation. The virus recovered from the monkeys could not be grown in culture. I.e., it was not active virus.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Thanks Nick, that's interesting: presumably it could only have been parts of the RNA of the virus.


As you say, misleading, whether by ignorance or intent.


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Gandalf The White
20 May 2020 13:38:29


 


It is Justin who should apologise! He is prone to hissy fits and intemperate language. I don't suppose he means to be rude and ignorant, but that is how he comes across when he loses his temper.


Justin - this is a forum for debate and people are free to write what they think and you are free to disagree, but it can be done without calling people bipolar or whatever.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


ROFL. Exquisite coming from someone prone to intemperate language.


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SJV
20 May 2020 13:39:48

Just been reading the summary from the PMQs, still plenty of spin going in wrt tracing. Of course it's already been significantly delayed.

I have my doubts that it'll be 'world beating' given it's email and phone based.

Plenty of self-congratulation to come when it eventually launches.

Gandalf The White
20 May 2020 13:39:52


 


They gave three weeks advance notice!


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


That, Richard, is completely and utterly irrelevant to the point I was making. 


Look, you're clearly not stupid so why wilfully misinterpret what I said?


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Gavin D
20 May 2020 13:41:37

Breakdown of the 166 deaths announced today in England by date



  • 31 on May 19th

  • 63 on May 18th

  • 17 on May 17th

  • 48 between May 4th and May 16th

  • 5 in April 

  • 2 in March with one on March 24th

Gandalf The White
20 May 2020 13:42:57


 


Cmon gandalf you didn't just make the 'but the USA' argument. At least the Americans have some amount of self awareness about their healthcare.


You yourself called the NHS amazing, most people would agree with you. Hence most people overestimate the NHS.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You seem incapable of understanding the meaning of some words. As I said, 'amazing' does not preclude the scope for improvement.


The Wright brothers first flight was amazing but we have, I think you know, moved on a little.


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picturesareme
20 May 2020 14:10:41

So a new strain or mutation of covid19 is being detected in NE China which is different to the current one.


Unlike the current one it's effect on the heart and the kidneys is less noticeable however it's still attacks the lungs. Outcome for those who have had this one is less severe with a higher chance of survival. 


Chinese are blaming imports on it. The symptoms take longer to appear and it takes longer to get over this however like mentioned above prognosis is better. It also doesn't typically bring with it a fever, but it does bring a sore throat and general feeling of ill. 


Sounds more like a common cold to me. 


Information is on the BBC also a link on the BBC to an article explain more however with this new mobile that I have have I can't figure out how to copy and paste links.

Brian Gaze
20 May 2020 14:17:09
How is the UK's antibody testing programme going? Do we have data from it yet? Number of tests, % positive etc.
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Hippydave
20 May 2020 14:22:19

How is the UK's antibody testing programme going? Do we have data from it yet? Number of tests, % positive etc.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I believe it's world class


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Gavin D
20 May 2020 14:50:16


 London sees NO new coronavirus cases for 24hrs in clearest sign yet UK strategy is working




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LONDON and the East of England have both gone 24 hours without a single new coronavirus case being officially recorded. The figures from Public Health England have given the most positive sign yet that the Government's strategy to combat COVID-19 is working. Just 79 people were diagnosed across the whole of England yesterday according to the data.


Swab tests taken on Monday, May 18 in London and the South East of England did not diagnose a single new case of coronavirus. Between them, the two regions have a population of 18million - making up almost a third of the entire population on Britain.


The latest figures come as Downing Street said the number of passengers using London's usually-busy transport network remained "fairly low". This is despite the easing of come lockdown restrictions last week, including workers who are unable to work from home to return to their physical workplace.


 





https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1284780/london-news-no-new-coronavirus-cases-east-of-england-public-health-england-tests?fbclid=IwAR04uLaz9Ap4p8k7Emux2hbSYIzCxuhslfvU1VVbgN7P9oRYDuPq6FwJqIQ


Darren S
20 May 2020 15:08:00



 London sees NO new coronavirus cases for 24hrs in clearest sign yet UK strategy is working




Quote

 


LONDON and the East of England have both gone 24 hours without a single new coronavirus case being officially recorded. The figures from Public Health England have given the most positive sign yet that the Government's strategy to combat COVID-19 is working. Just 79 people were diagnosed across the whole of England yesterday according to the data.


Swab tests taken on Monday, May 18 in London and the South East of England did not diagnose a single new case of coronavirus. Between them, the two regions have a population of 18million - making up almost a third of the entire population on Britain.


The latest figures come as Downing Street said the number of passengers using London's usually-busy transport network remained "fairly low". This is despite the easing of come lockdown restrictions last week, including workers who are unable to work from home to return to their physical workplace.


 





https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1284780/london-news-no-new-coronavirus-cases-east-of-england-public-health-england-tests?fbclid=IwAR04uLaz9Ap4p8k7Emux2hbSYIzCxuhslfvU1VVbgN7P9oRYDuPq6FwJqIQ



Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I'm betting this is complete twaddle. They are talking about samples taken on Monday, most of which will not have been tested yet. Meanwhile there will have been many positive tests from samples taken prior to Monday. So all this is saying is that the testing results are slow to return.


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