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Retron
23 January 2021 14:23:41

Hi Retron.... I was looking at the De Bildt set. -10c day maxes by end

Originally Posted by: squish 


Yup - to be fair, it led to some subzero maxima in the UK too, just not my little bit of it.


(In the old days in the 80s we would look for -7 or -8 in Calais etc for a comfortable subzero max here in an easterly flow, the local forecasters often mentioned it.)


Leysdown, north Kent
tallyho_83
23 January 2021 14:35:00

I hadn’t seen how cold the 18Z GFS ensembles were. The 6Z look very slightly colder than the 0Z but now where near the 18Z. Still looks like a cool down of some sort is likely around the 4th-5th of Feb.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I didn't see them either but notice how many ENS went down to and below -10c @ 850hpa towards then end: - It looked like we were heading into the freezer..



 


Then compare that with the 06z


 


Not a major flip but an uptick and also we have lost that Scandi high which now has a scandi low: - i guess as long as we keep some -10c uppers then I am happy.



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tallyho_83
23 January 2021 14:37:53
PS - Wish the para run was working
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doctormog
23 January 2021 14:46:20

PS - Wish the para run was working

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


It is. http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?runpara=1 


tallyho_83
23 January 2021 14:50:29


 


It is. http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?runpara=1 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Thanks - last I saw it was stuck at +102 on both Meteociel and Wetter but i usually use wetter - it's still stuck on there - i think i shall use Meteociel from now on then. Looking at para shows a lot of southerly tracking LP systems. 


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DPower
23 January 2021 15:17:33

Hoping to see the models firming up on a renewed and more potent cold spell starting a week or so from now which could usher in the start of an epic February to come. Still a fair amount of model uncertainty with regards to the energy transfer of the lows west to east as building pressure to the north forces the lows to slide, phase or disrupt. I think though this is just the start of what will be some mouth watering synoptics to come over the coming days. I will certainly be punting for a negative cet February (my Jan punt way off the mark but I put that down to slower QTR to the SSW) with lots of cold, snow and ice days to come.


Snow chances for many I hope during the next 24 to the 36 hours. Icon run coming out now, hopefully will continue the trend for much colder weather spreading south during the later stages of next weekend.

marting
23 January 2021 16:04:45

UKMO 144 has us dipping back into cold next Saturday, like the ICON. 


Martin


Martin
Greasby, Wirral.
fairweather
23 January 2021 16:16:56


 


I was watching him this morning and he seemed hungover. Absolutely woeful and could barely string a sentence together. 


But I still love him. :D 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Yes, top man. Like his sardonic approach to life!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
23 January 2021 16:19:24


 


I didn't see them either but notice how many ENS went down to and below -10c @ 850hpa towards then end: - It looked like we were heading into the freezer..



 


Then compare that with the 06z


 


Not a major flip but an uptick and also we have lost that Scandi high which now has a scandi low: - i guess as long as we keep some -10c uppers then I am happy.



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


You mean to say you're not staying up till 1.30am to read my commentary on them. Usually first post on the page in the "morning". Lightweights 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Quantum
23 January 2021 16:26:32

Very different ideas from the GFS and ICON12zs


ICON12z doesn't have any mild spell at all for N england or Scotland.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
JRobinson
23 January 2021 16:43:41

PS - Wish the para run was working

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


It is......shhhhh!

Rob K
23 January 2021 16:43:50


 


I was watching him this morning and he seemed hungover. Absolutely woeful and could barely string a sentence together. 


But I still love him. :D 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Wasn't it the Schaf who had to duck out of the radio studio mid-forecast to throw up the morning after the office Xmas party a few years ago? 


(Also I hadn't seen him do a forecast for a while, lockdown hair ahoy!)


 


OK I should probably, for the sake of fairness, say that that is apparently just a "silly rumour" and he was actually genuinely ill.


Tomasz Schafernaker on Twitter: "@gjp12775 @andy_travels @tnewtondunn @BBCRadio4 @BBCr4today ...that’s simply not true. It frustrates me that some people still think that. No staff party had even taken place. I was genuinely unwell and would never put myself in the position you are implying. That’s a dismissible offence. Silly rumour!" / Twitter


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JRobinson
23 January 2021 16:47:27


 


I didn't see them either but notice how many ENS went down to and below -10c @ 850hpa towards then end: - It looked like we were heading into the freezer..



 

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


Haha.... I commented on that and shared the 18z GEFS graphs (plus a few of the ensemble members charts) in the early hours of this morning, but nobody was here to bother commenting on them 😭


The subsequent 2 runs have not been as cold later on, as you have indeed noticed

Brian Gaze
23 January 2021 16:53:37


Very different ideas from the GFS and ICON12zs


ICON12z doesn't have any mild spell at all for N england or Scotland.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That has always been a possibility.


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Retron
23 January 2021 17:01:35

An astonishing chart from the 12 GFS. Yes, that's an easterly jet completely encircling an anticyclone atop the North Pole.


(Of course, the UK manages to be not especially cold despite all this...)



Leysdown, north Kent
White Meadows
23 January 2021 17:07:12
Schafferrsnackerzzzjjher’s hair is looking awful you have to admit.

Meanwhile, Just look how bananas the ECM control went for De Bilt:

http://www.weersite.net/?actueel&ensemble&ecmwfpluim 

tallyho_83
23 January 2021 17:20:23


An astonishing chart from the 12 GFS. Yes, that's an easterly jet completely encircling an anticyclone atop the North Pole.


(Of course, the UK manages to be not especially cold despite all this...)



Originally Posted by: Retron 


A really confused photo and not that I like to cherry pick but the models are really all over the place - one min they show an easterly and this morning they showed a northerly and this evenings 12z we appear to pull off a south westerly despite all that Greenland and Northern blocking - As we as blocking over Scandinavia we still pull off a milder south westerly wind. How frustratingly annoying - but only a slight adjustment to this and we would be in an easterly.. I mean 1080mb's over Greenland stretching into an Arctic into the North Pole? Come on ...really?  -anyway one model one run/one chart let's hope this is a mild outlier but just sharing this chart because i have never seen such extensive northern blocking before...even during the beast from the east in February/March 2018 there wasn't this amount of northern blocking. Nice to look at anyway...so near yet so so far...


 


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White Meadows
23 January 2021 17:40:58
12z has stacked it 🤦‍♂️
Whether Idle
23 January 2021 17:42:38

GEM is performing well and enters interesting territory in FI on the 12z


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
SJV
23 January 2021 17:44:24

12z has stacked it 🤦‍♂️

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


They really haven't got a clue at the moment. We go from being encouraged by one suite to something completely opposite six hours later. Another six hours and we make tracks back before it all goes pear shaped six hours after that again 


I'm finding it quite refreshing to look no further than 72 hours ahead at the moment. Not because it is the right thing to do, but more for my own sanity 

Rob K
23 January 2021 17:53:38
Is that ECM control run available to view anywhere?
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idj20
23 January 2021 17:54:58

To be honest, after having seen some footage of flooding with homes collapsing in parts of the UK, I'd think we'd be better off wanting to see the end of back-to-back rain rather than scrabbling around looking for short lived marginal slop-fests in la-la land.

I'd probably get shot down for having said that but it's time to look at the bigger picture and see what really is happening.



Folkestone Harbour. 
hobensotwo
23 January 2021 17:55:37


 


They really haven't got a clue at the moment. We go from being encouraged by one suite to something completely opposite six hours later. Another six hours and we make tracks back before it all goes pear shaped six hours after that again 


I'm finding it quite refreshing to look no further than 72 hours ahead at the moment. Not because it is the right thing to do, but more for my own sanity 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Agreed. All still to play for IMO. It will probably be a while until we have model agreement for events in early Feb. Although some sort of northern blocking looks favoured.


I'm sure there will be plenty of scatter for t+180> in the ens.


Let's see what ecm has to offer.


Interesting times!!

doctormog
23 January 2021 17:56:50

Is that ECM control run available to view anywhere?

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Easterly muck 


https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/europe/m0_sea-level-pressure/20210206-0600z.html 


White Meadows
23 January 2021 18:01:49

Could do with better alignment. That looks more south easterly on first glance. 

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