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Saint Snow
22 January 2021 19:59:55


 


It is the meteorological equivalent to the eye of Sauron drawing us inexorably towards the easterly equivalent of Mordor. Gandalf any chance of a helping hand? 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


If it gives us weather like on Caradhras, I'll be happy



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Phil24
22 January 2021 20:04:38

So, all you guys and gals with zillions of minutes of experience, can you please explain what is going on. Even those that do this for a living are a little confused. 
Never before witnessed or recorded, well so they say. But what does it mean. If the so called paid experts have no idea, what chance do us mere mortals have. 


hobensotwo
22 January 2021 20:08:52


 


Mordor, it’s like you but less gloomy. 


Anyway on topic  and I’ve noticed that there seems to be an unusually strong consensus in the linger range sources for colder than average conditions being more likely than milder in February. Perhaps surprising given La Niña conditions, but perhaps less so because of the stratospheric warmings? Who’d be a long range forecaster!


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Agreed. Not sure when the last below average Feb CET was, but perhaps worth a punt this year, certainly couldn't ask for much better signals at this range.

marco 79
22 January 2021 20:34:56
Let's see if op and control drag the ens down over subsequent runs..still not a definitive nudge down to take seriously just yet..but steps in the right direction
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DPower
22 January 2021 21:24:33

It looks as though all of this afternoons op runs have been more amplified and subsequently showing colder wintrier runs. I have to admit the last 24 hours I was wondering what the hell had happened to the SSW downwelling. This now looks to be back on track with as I said a much more amplified looking hemispheric pattern. I would not be surprised to see further amplification in the coming runs from now on. May even see the first op run showing -15c uppers in the UK before the weekend is out. 


Hopefully see some snow over the weekend before the main event starts end of Jan and then on through February. Minus cet for February anyone. 

White Meadows
22 January 2021 21:59:32


So, all you guys and gals with zillions of minutes of experience, can you please explain what is going on. Even those that do this for a living are a little confused. 
Never before witnessed or recorded, well so they say. But what does it mean. If the so called paid experts have no idea, what chance do us mere mortals have. 



Originally Posted by: Phil24 

Someone has scribbled some yellow & blue arrows over a PV zonal mean chart, in attempt to be clever?

chrissyk
22 January 2021 22:03:21

Has the 18z GFS got stuck on 18 hours? Wonder if it’s struggling with the events of Sunday down south? 😃


Chandlers Ford, South Hampshire. 27m asl
Snow Hoper
22 January 2021 22:11:16


Has the 18z GFS got stuck on 18 hours? Wonder if it’s struggling with the events of Sunday down south? 😃


Originally Posted by: chrissyk 


It was so cold it froze the server🤣


 


I'm expecting the weather to turn much drier as we head into next month. Where the block sits dictates what it'll feel like, but the flooding should cease for those areas currently affected.


Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


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Phil24
22 January 2021 22:34:56


Someone has scribbled some yellow & blue arrows over a PV zonal mean chart, in attempt to be clever?


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Ups and downs, that might help you with the significance. 

Gandalf The White
22 January 2021 22:43:05


So, all you guys and gals with zillions of minutes of experience, can you please explain what is going on. Even those that do this for a living are a little confused. 
Never before witnessed or recorded, well so they say. But what does it mean. If the so called paid experts have no idea, what chance do us mere mortals have. 



Originally Posted by: Phil24 


Isn't it showing the warming (positive pressure anomalies) pulsing down through the atmosphere (blue lines) and then moving back up a little (yellow) before making it to the lower troposphere, with the second downwelling producing a more significant positive anomaly?


That's just my attempt at analysis of what it seems to represent.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
22 January 2021 22:46:23


 


It was so cold it froze the server🤣


 


I'm expecting the weather to turn much drier as we head into next month. Where the block sits dictates what it'll feel like, but the flooding should cease for those areas currently affected.


Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


Maybe it's been afflicted by the little-known WIO virus.


😉


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52.0N 0.1E


Phil24
22 January 2021 22:50:58


 


Isn't it showing the warming (positive pressure anomalies) pulsing down through the atmosphere (blue lines) and then moving back up a little (yellow) before making it to the lower troposphere, with the second downwelling producing a more significant positive anomaly?


That's just my attempt at analysis of what it seems to represent.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes it is and these geopotential height anomalies are not normal. They generally only go down. What the significance is, I have absolutely no idea, but I believe this anomaly is causing some considerable issues with the models interpretation of events. 

Snow Hoper
22 January 2021 22:52:12


 


Maybe it's been afflicted by the little-known WIO virus.


😉


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Thankfully they found a vaccine, currently out to 192hrs.


Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


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idj20
22 January 2021 22:52:50

Oh dear, hope the 18z GFS is the odd one out with next Thursday to mind. I can't be doing with another round of 70 mph gusts.


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White Meadows
22 January 2021 23:05:52


Oh dear, hope the 18z GFS is the odd one out with next Thursday to mind. I can't be doing with another round of 70 mph gusts.


Originally Posted by: idj20 

On the other hand, we get a potentially severe cold outbreak from the north / north east at the end. 

Gandalf The White
22 January 2021 23:15:16


 


Yes it is and these geopotential height anomalies are not normal. They generally only go down. What the significance is, I have absolutely no idea, but I believe this anomaly is causing some considerable issues with the models interpretation of events. 


Originally Posted by: Phil24 


As you probably realise this isn't my specialist subject - but I thought it might be showing that the initial burst of SSW didn't have sufficient momentum to work fully down through the atmosphere? Doesn't the physics support the idea of the warming dissipating/diffusing into the surrounding area in some circumstances?


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fairweather
22 January 2021 23:26:41

Shame the Op and the Control are totally out on their own at the extreme cold end on the 12z ensemble mean for the last two days. The mean trundles along at -3C still.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
chrissyk
22 January 2021 23:35:06


 


Maybe it's been afflicted by the little-known WIO virus.


😉


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


its certainly got a chill out at 342h 😱


Chandlers Ford, South Hampshire. 27m asl
White Meadows
22 January 2021 23:46:32
C’mon February... you can make it!! ...just ...a little... further....
Arbroath 1320
23 January 2021 00:17:23


Shame the Op and the Control are totally out on their own at the extreme cold end on the 12z ensemble mean for the last two days. The mean trundles along at -3C still.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Yes, I would say the  majority of the 18z ENS look tasty in FI. I think the control will be a significant outlier. There will be many colder members than the Op too.


GGTTH
fairweather
23 January 2021 00:55:58

Yes, the 18z ensemble mean much better indeed especially in the latter part of the run. In fact the mean has dropped dramatically to -6.3C and if that cluster becomes the dominant one that mean will certainly drop further 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
UncleAlbert
23 January 2021 01:11:25


Yes, the 18z ensemble mean much better indeed especially in the latter part of the run. In fact the mean has dropped dramatically to -6.3C and if that cluster becomes the dominant one that mean will certainly drop further 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


 


Indeed the ensemble trends are continuing in the cold direction. Mentioned last week that the MJO was hunting at moving into more favourable territory. It looks as though it may have now made its mind up to become more active and move into phase 6 then probably 7. in the South this winter has felt like one of those penny falls machines in an arcade where you just need one more coin in the right place to get some cash. We shall see.

JRobinson
23 January 2021 02:49:40

I know we’ve all been here before, so we know it’ll never happen, but the signal for cool/cold/verycold/frigid weather in the latter part of the GEFS is quite strong here.


Dont usually see the mean dip that low, at that range unless something is brewing.


GEFS 18z for the middle of England, at my location (Sorry London and other Southerners)...


GEFS 18z


8 members dip below -10c 850s. Lowest reaching -15.2c


Also the number of runs going below -5c and even -10c exceed the numbers of runs above 0c from 1st February onwards. In fact they exceed the members above -5c for the majority of the set from 4th February onwards

JRobinson
23 January 2021 03:00:57

JFF



JRobinson
23 January 2021 03:02:56

More JFF



It will never happen of course


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