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ballamar
26 January 2021 18:16:23
Encouraging start to ECM, could get something out of this after all
Whether Idle
26 January 2021 18:19:17

Encouraging start to ECM, could get something out of this after all

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


(Sorry about the Rainbow Bunchie .)


 Anyhow, yes, its close to GEM at t96 but as that's already in FI and matters are "on a knife-edge" LOL, I would expect some big divergence at 120.  Fascinating stuff.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
squish
26 January 2021 18:30:56
I remember the days when most output stopped at +144 and ECM went to +168 only . +120 even back then was regarded as far as one should go .
Amazing fun model watching this year
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Whether Idle
26 January 2021 18:33:20

I remember the days when most output stopped at +144 and ECM went to +168 only . +120 even back then was regarded as far as one should go .
Amazing fun model watching this year

Originally Posted by: squish 


Agreed squish.  This winter (although a big snow-flop for my area thus far), has been fascinating and far more redolent of the 1970s and 1980s than for many a year.  The run up to t120 is a classic cold vs mild battle of yesteryear and makes a change from topplers, Azores Highs and Berne Winters.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gandalf The White
26 January 2021 18:40:47

I remember the days when most output stopped at +144 and ECM went to +168 only . +120 even back then was regarded as far as one should go .
Amazing fun model watching this year

Originally Posted by: squish 


Do you remember when ECM only started at T+72?


 


Yes, it's been an interesting couple of months.  To be honest anything is better than staring at zonal charts when the only discussion points are how much rain will fall and how windy it might become.


ECM now running into guesswork territory and only developing a weak pressure rise over Scandi.


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CField
26 January 2021 18:49:19

ECM most crucial run of the season so far.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Thought we were heading in a different direction this morning but definitely yes....


Favourite snowstorm
Famous channel low
Dec 31st 1978
Hastings East Sussex
Foot of level snow severe drifting
Next day max temp -4 degrees Celsius
Arbroath 1320
26 January 2021 18:57:39


 


Do you remember when ECM only started at T+72?


 


Yes, it's been an interesting couple of months.  To be honest anything is better than staring at zonal charts when the only discussion points are how much rain will fall and how windy it might become.


ECM now running into guesswork territory and only developing a weak pressure rise over Scandi.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


ECM has taken a step in the same direction as GFS/GEM but, can't quite do the full backtrack from it's overly progressive 00z run. Looks like a partial climbdown and hopefully it will go the whole hog tomorrow. 


GGTTH
Russwirral
26 January 2021 19:10:56
very consistent across all models GFS, ECM, ICON, CMC to see a series of stalled snowy fronts into western england from the weekend onwards. Very good agreement across all beyond Friday. Which is very unusual.
fairweather
26 January 2021 19:13:45


 


The phrase meant more in the days when school children learned Latin...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam_tomorrow 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


......... as I did which is why I remember the days when it used to snow - not quite ad infinitum and why I go on about it ad nauseum 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
jhall
26 January 2021 19:16:17


 


What is meant by the term JAM?


Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 


It's not an acronym. The reference is to the cynical old saying "Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never jam today". So "more jam tomorrow" was, I imagine, suggesting that though the model might be forecasting something good in the future, it's done it before without it actually happening, and this is likely to be another such occasion.


My apologies to the OP if I've totally misinterpreted them!"


Cranleigh, Surrey
Zubzero
White Meadows
26 January 2021 19:34:43

Some cheeky surprises possible at short notice after this weekend, by the look of things.
Roll on Feb... this month has been drab down south.

White Meadows
26 January 2021 19:38:27
The first SSW showing its impact on output accuracy earlier this month:
https://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz6.html 

Another warming under way after tomorrow...
Maybe this time we hit the jackpot.
JRobinson
26 January 2021 19:40:03

I’ve never seen the Control and Op match each other so closely for virtually the whole of the run in terms of 850s.


Hopefully they are setting the trend and the rest of the members will follow suit.


GEFS 12z

JRobinson
26 January 2021 19:41:26

The first SSW showing its impact on output accuracy earlier this month:
https://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS/html/new_acz6.html

Another warming under way after tomorrow...
Maybe this time we hit the jackpot.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


GEM performing better than GFS and its parallel I see.


And UKMO matching it over that range

Ally Pally Snowman
26 January 2021 19:41:46


I’ve never seen the Control and Op match each other so closely for virtually the whole of the run in terms of 850s.


Hopefully they are setting the trend and the rest of the members will follow suit.


GEFS 12z


Originally Posted by: JRobinson 


That is remarkable especially when they both go so cold.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
JRobinson
26 January 2021 19:46:54


 


That is remarkable especially when they both go so cold.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Indeed. I haven’t had chance to check wether they match each other or not synoptically.


that will have to wait until I’ve eaten dinner 🍲 

The Beast from the East
26 January 2021 19:49:20

GEM has been holding the torch for this from the start. Lets all pray it has nailed this. ECM has been all over the place!


 


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doctormog
26 January 2021 19:50:56
On the subject of ensemble data, the 12z GFS suite is the first in quite a few runs to have 20 members dipping to or below -10°C (t850hPa) here for some time.
DPower
26 January 2021 21:26:59

Another cracking run the 12z gfs although I think it can/will do better. Plenty of eye candy to enjoy in future runs I'm sure. Ecm slowly getting there.

Whether Idle
26 January 2021 21:37:23


Ive always rated the CMA  its worth looking at the 12z run as it takes the GEM route to a very tasty conclusion (seen above)


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Heavy Weather 2013
26 January 2021 21:41:00
Is the GEM going to pull of a giant killing of FA cup proportions?
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
David M Porter
26 January 2021 21:42:11


GEM has been holding the torch for this from the start. Lets all pray it has nailed this. ECM has been all over the place!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I think many of the models, even the most trusted ones, have been all over the place at one time or another for a considerable while now, even going back to the late part of November.


The general pattern of this winter seems to have been very difficult for the models to get a proper grip of when it comes to what happens at more than a few days ahead.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Whether Idle
26 January 2021 21:44:22

Is the GEM going to pull of a giant killing of FA cup proportions?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I fancy a final played out in a blizzard between GEM and CMA


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
tallyho_83
26 January 2021 21:50:48


I’ve never seen the Control and Op match each other so closely for virtually the whole of the run in terms of 850s.


Hopefully they are setting the trend and the rest of the members will follow suit.


GEFS 12z


Originally Posted by: JRobinson 


That diagram of the ENS is so much clearer - could you send me the link to it please? :)


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