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GezM
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13 May 2021 21:51:36

The worst thing about this spell of rather unseasonably cool and showeryness is the long hours of daylight 'going to waste'.
Not just our use of the time but plant growth too should be photosynthesising like mad - but here most trees are still barey opening leaves and silage/hay crops are only just starting to grow more normally when some years they'd be up to your knees with huge leaf area.

Originally Posted by: four 


I've always thought of May as being a hugely disappointing month for enjoying the long evenings. Usually too wet or cold to be sat (or sometimes even walking) outside. Last year was an exception with some beautiful warm, sunny evenings. 
I like to say that May is the month that you can see the poor weather for longer into the night!


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backtobasics
13 May 2021 21:52:43

The worst thing about this spell of rather unseasonably cool and showeryness is the long hours of daylight 'going to waste'.
Not just our use of the time but plant growth too should be photosynthesising like mad - but here most trees are still barey opening leaves and silage/hay crops are only just starting to grow more normally when some years they'd be up to your knees with huge leaf area.

Originally Posted by: four 


It is amazing how far behind plants are, not to mention those damaged by the intensity and frequency of the April frosts,. I'm no lover of extreme heat but a little warmth to go with the showers would be lovely 

moomin75
14 May 2021 06:08:00
Improvement still there on the GFS 0Z and to an extent GEM, and getting a little closer with the ridge looking to build in around 192-228 hrs. Still far to far into FI to be certain, but perhaps a growing trend.
As I look out on a flooded garden with nearly 24 hours persistent rain, we desperately need the rain to stop soon. We have been utterly deluged. Now up to 90mm so far in May, which is very wet indeed.
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Ally Pally Snowman
14 May 2021 06:17:07

Improvement still there on the GFS 0Z and to an extent GEM, and getting a little closer with the ridge looking to build in around 192-228 hrs. Still far to far into FI to be certain, but perhaps a growing trend.
As I look out on a flooded garden with nearly 24 hours persistent rain, we desperately need the rain to stop soon. We have been utterly deluged. Now up to 90mm so far in May, which is very wet indeed.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


Very wet here also last 24 hrs but we need it in this part of the world as it was still very dry. Definitely some more straws this morning with the UKMO pushing the Azores our way as early as 144h.


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moomin75
14 May 2021 06:45:43


 


 


Very wet here also last 24 hrs but we need it in this part of the world as it was still very dry. Definitely some more straws this morning with the UKMO pushing the Azores our way as early as 144h.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

ECM still looks very disturbed this morning with a deep low at 168hrs, then a potent northerly in its wake.


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Ally Pally Snowman
14 May 2021 07:06:17


ECM still looks very disturbed this morning with a deep low at 168hrs, then a potent northerly in its wake.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It gets there by 240h. Very cold run though.


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DEW
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14 May 2021 07:10:38

Jetstream runs consistently strongly jsut to the S of the UK until Fri 21st, when it begins to move N-wards, running across the UK strongly and directly until Wed 26th, before weakening and moving clear to the north (but threatening to return in the last frame Sun 30th)


16 dayer still shows a remarkable bulge of cool air into NW Europe for both weeks, with just a hint of something warmer moving up fromSpain in week 2. Wet for UK week 1, dry in week 2 with the rain band over N Europe week 1 breaking up and moving S-ward.


GFS - improved outlook (for those who want dry warm weather - some of us still really need rain, believe it or not), Uk still affected by troughs from the Atlantic though not as deep as previously and becoming a W-ly flow by Fri 21st; then HP moves in from SW and covers all UK 1030mb Tue 25th and staying around though pushed increasingly towards the S by LP in N Atlantic, notably on Sun 30th


GEFS - mean temp remains a degree or two below norm through to Thu 27th, then close to norm; the GFS op described above is one of 4 or 5 runs taking a more optimistic view from Sun 23rd but not enough to shift the mean upwards from the consensus (so still all to play for despite APS' view above). Most runs continue to show showery rain throughout.


ECM - similar to GFS, even agreeing on the HP at end of run Mon 24th, but shows it preceded by a N-ly burst absent from GFS; there is a hint of colder weather for a few days at this time in the GEFS for Scotland


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Jiries
14 May 2021 07:15:16

Improvement still there on the GFS 0Z and to an extent GEM, and getting a little closer with the ridge looking to build in around 192-228 hrs. Still far to far into FI to be certain, but perhaps a growing trend.
As I look out on a flooded garden with nearly 24 hours persistent rain, we desperately need the rain to stop soon. We have been utterly deluged. Now up to 90mm so far in May, which is very wet indeed.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It been very wet here too and need to see the rain stop and bring the warm to hot and prolonged dry weather we entitled for   Sooner than later the models need to wake up as we are heading to summer month by delivering us proper summery charts as we haven't see any of those since late March so well over due and hopefully a big make up time.  What happened to the all the heat in Feb down south disappeared?  Only Cyprus just getting normal temperatures of the time of the year.

GezM
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14 May 2021 08:41:46
As DEW says, GEFS overall is very different from the Ops run this morning, so still huge uncertainty for the end of May. There is general cross model agreement for it to remain cool and unsettled for the next week or so.
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Downpour
14 May 2021 09:23:46

There's been a signal for a warm up around 26/27 May for a while now. Whether it comes to fruition or not, who knows? But the signal is there.

One to watch.


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Hungry Tiger
14 May 2021 09:44:23


TWO grid points may be slightly different, but the first 30C of the season is safely in the bag tonight.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Crikey Brian.


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fairweather
14 May 2021 09:55:51


 


It is amazing how far behind plants are, not to mention those damaged by the intensity and frequency of the April frosts,. I'm no lover of extreme heat but a little warmth to go with the showers would be lovely 


Originally Posted by: backtobasics 


We got 5mm of useful rain here yesterday but still basically drought conditions in the soil for plant growth. Still at leasy it isn't evaporating!


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fairweather
14 May 2021 10:01:41

My  first UK break for this year was booked some weeks back. Two days wildlife watching in  the Forest of Dean, May22nd ,23rd. Was expecting it to be T shirts now it looks like thick jumpers and an anorak !


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Bolty
14 May 2021 14:27:28

Yes, still nothing particularly inspiring showing up on the models yet, with HLB presisting well through the reliable time frame. There's nothing in the way of summer with temperatures generally below average to average at best with some wetter and some drier days.


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Brian Gaze
14 May 2021 14:48:42


Yes, still nothing particularly inspiring showing up on the models yet, with HLB presisting well through the reliable time frame. There's nothing in the way of summer with temperatures generally below average to average at best with some wetter and some drier days.


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


The last 2 days have been horrendous here. Cold, concrete skies and varying amounts of rain. Max temp today 10.9C so far and 12.2C yesterday. 


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mulattokid
14 May 2021 14:52:27


 


Something need to give sooner than later as it been nearly 2 months now since we had a normal Spring warm spell.  Now is down to 5 weeks left to the longest day and we lost so much of useable long daylight hours so far.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Presicley.  I might start spending the few dry days chopping logs for winter.   Not ideal.


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cultman1
14 May 2021 14:55:56


 


The last 2 days have been horrendous here. Cold, concrete skies and varying amounts of rain. Max temp today 10.9C so far and 12.2C yesterday. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Same here Brian and only marginally warmer in Fulham. Today has been particularly dire with leaden skies and a keen NE wind. This spell of weather has been ongoing now for over 7 weeks with currently no end in sight so I hope your 30 degrees will materialise!

moomin75
14 May 2021 17:46:49
Pretty much back to square one on the 12z GFS. No sign of anything particularly resembling late spring now and back to largely cool, albeit perhaps not *quite* as much rain. One of the worst springs in my lifetime.
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Joe Bloggs
14 May 2021 18:17:56

It really hasn’t been too bad here this past week. Yes some showers but nothing out of the ordinary. I think I’ve been in a lucky spot. 


Also a couple of pleasant evenings, this one included. 



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moomin75
14 May 2021 18:37:07


It really hasn’t been too bad here this past week. Yes some showers but nothing out of the ordinary. I think I’ve been in a lucky spot. 


Also a couple of pleasant evenings, this one included. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

You are very lucky indeed. Here we have been utterly deluged. Cricket grounds across the county are flooded, mine is completely under water. Weather has been as bad as I can recall for this time of the year. I am not exaggerating to say its been one of the wettest Mays I have ever seen, and we are only 14 days in.


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cultman1
14 May 2021 18:55:42

Pretty much back to square one on the 12z GFS. No sign of anything particularly resembling late spring now and back to largely cool, albeit perhaps not *quite* as much rain. One of the worst springs in my lifetime.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I have to agree with your summary of this extraordinary weather pattern which is unrelenting in its incessant damp and cool conditions . One can only hope that later this month conditions will improve if nothing else temperature wise and the removal of the northern blocking so prevalent currently in our part of north western Europe..

Taylor1740
14 May 2021 19:01:03


There's been a signal for a warm up around 26/27 May for a while now. Whether it comes to fruition or not, who knows? But the signal is there.

One to watch.


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


Not a very strong signal at the moment though is it, but perhaps we would be due some sort of pattern change by then, after a month of cold and dry in April, we will have had a month of cold and wet in May by then...


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Caz
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14 May 2021 19:56:37


It really hasn’t been too bad here this past week. Yes some showers but nothing out of the ordinary. I think I’ve been in a lucky spot. 


Also a couple of pleasant evenings, this one included. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Same here.  Quite pleasant temps with some good thunderstorms but not a great deal of rain.  


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Taylor1740
14 May 2021 20:30:47
ECM showing a deep low passing through Thursday-Friday followed by a Northerly with the -5 isotherm sweeping south
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Brian Gaze
14 May 2021 20:41:03

ECM showing a deep low passing through Thursday-Friday followed by a Northerly with the -5 isotherm sweeping south

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


-9C into Scotland.



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