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Brian Gaze
07 February 2022 21:19:53

Could be a few surprises on Thursday.



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Brian Gaze
07 February 2022 21:23:18


 


Really in what sense? I'm intrigued as it feels like it's been very mundane to me.


Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


Persistence of high pressure through January leading to a very dry month. Lack of both storms and cold spells. Performance of seasonal models. Failure of background signals. 


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Gooner
07 February 2022 21:28:36


 


Persistence of high pressure through January leading to a very dry month. Lack of both storms and cold spells. Performance of seasonal models. Failure of background signals. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I agree , I was chatting to Gav P and said January was quite rare in every way , not sure many saw this Winter coming 


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Chunky Pea
07 February 2022 21:28:53


 


Persistence of high pressure through January leading to a very dry month. Lack of both storms and cold spells. Performance of seasonal models. Failure of background signals


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


They failed because they are not really signals at all. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Chunky Pea
07 February 2022 21:44:58

The only plausible explanation I can see regarding this winter is something Eric Snodgrass (US Meteorologist) said recently regarding the almost complete failure of the 'sub-tropical jet' to make any significant inroads into the southern states this winter., which could be a factor as to why the Azores high encountered little resistance to its accursed dominance this season over the Atlantic. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Windy Willow
07 February 2022 21:58:18

I'd also suggest that this winter has been unseasonably dry, especially in the SE.


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Taylor1740
07 February 2022 22:10:18


 


Persistence of high pressure through January leading to a very dry month. Lack of both storms and cold spells. Performance of seasonal models. Failure of background signals. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


January certainly was a bit odd with that sunny high pressure lasting so long. Looks like February is trying to make up for the lack of storms. Lack of cold spells yes but certainly not the first Winter to lack cold spells. Not sure I have really learnt anything new regarding seasonal models/background signals, other than what I basically knew before - that they don't work most of the time!


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Gusty
07 February 2022 22:45:24

Definite signal emerging for a rather more mobile and at times stormy week next week.


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MRayner
07 February 2022 22:54:07


 


Persistence of high pressure through January leading to a very dry month. Lack of both storms and cold spells. Performance of seasonal models. Failure of background signals. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


appreciate lack of storms down south, but some rather nasty ones occurred up north/east  in the last couple of months, damage unseen for decades, whole estates off trees flattened al la Micheal fish”s famous non hurricane in the south east ! Was in Suffolk when that one hit.


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overland
07 February 2022 23:51:19


Certainly turning into a historic winter and probably one of the all time classics. However, remember that you don't need to like something for it to be a classic.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Personally, I think the only thing that's been unusual has been the dry and perhaps surprisingly sunny January. It wasn't wall-to-wall sunshine but for a winter anticyclone it was pretty good. To be honest if it's not going to be snowy then January's weather was the next best thing. It hasn't been that mild either as going by the reliable daffodil index they are not particularly advanced for the time of year. 


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Gooner
08 February 2022 06:42:21


Proper weather at last 




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Gooner
08 February 2022 07:11:50


UK 168 looking for a NW / SE tilt ..................exciting stuff 


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08 February 2022 07:22:00


 


Personally, I think the only thing that's been unusual has been the dry and perhaps surprisingly sunny January. It wasn't wall-to-wall sunshine but for a winter anticyclone it was pretty good. To be honest if it's not going to be snowy then January's weather was the next best thing. It hasn't been that mild either as going by the reliable daffodil index they are not particularly advanced for the time of year. 


Originally Posted by: overland 


Wales is a different country; SE England was miserably cloudy for most of January albeit dry - but the daffodils enjoed the absence of frost and are now well out along with crocuses and snowdrops


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08 February 2022 07:46:41

Wx temp summary still looking much the same as for the last week with cold air across N Europe but not as cold as it should be at this season; as for pptn, increasingly blowing in from the Atlantic and penetrating further into Europe from the NW


Jet broad and strong across UK around Wed 16th; something to the SE of UK now and to the NW Thu24th but quiet in between these periods


GFS op - moderate W-ly regime until Wed 16th when broadly-based storm from NW(960 mb off NE Scotland) and a more local storm 970mb Sat 19th same place. Then rather slack pressure finally resolving into HP ridge SW-NE across UK Thu 24th


GEFS - cool around Fri 11th then mean back to near norm but agreement breaks down from Wed 16th. Rain from Sun 13th onwards, esp heavy in far NW. Snow row figures suggest heavy snow for Scottish mountains.


ECM - runs the LP on Wed 16th quickly past N Scotland but lets it stick over Norway (as has so often happened this winter) with the NW gales deferred to the Friday


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Russwirral
08 February 2022 09:00:05
Weve gone from charts completely void of winter weather, to charts that on an average winter we would argue how pants they are...

and this is seen as an upgrade to January.

Says alot about this winter 🙂 🙂
Russwirral
08 February 2022 10:30:16
Got a feeling this winter is going to have a big sting in its tail. The charts just seem to be that much more inclined to wintry weather towards the end of the runs...

As ive mentioned before - I always think nature balances things out, so what weve been excessive in one season usually bites back with the opposite in the next....

Our winters now frequently exist Feb-March anyway.
Taylor1740
08 February 2022 10:52:34
Signs of the Jetstream shifting southwards briefly on the 6z early next week only for it to move Northwards again. We've not seen a Southerly displaced Jetstream since at least last Winter, does feel like the long-term pattern could be finally changing perhaps.
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Saint Snow
08 February 2022 16:11:11

Signs of the Jetstream shifting southwards briefly on the 6z early next week only for it to move Northwards again. We've not seen a Southerly displaced Jetstream since at least last Winter, does feel like the long-term pattern could be finally changing perhaps.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


 


Just in time for summer!!


 




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Essan
08 February 2022 19:29:10

Got asked at work today "when are we going to see some snow?".   I told them, "possibly April" .....

Snowless winters are becoming the norm down here, to the extent that it neither surprises nor disappoints me any more.

(sorry, not really model related, other than that the models support me)


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some faraway beach
08 February 2022 21:10:34


Our winters now frequently exist Feb-March anyway.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Don't they always? It's a maritime climate, and Feb/March is when the sea surface temps are at their lowest. That's why I always prefer to see snowy synoptics in Feb/March than in Dec/Jan - the margin for error is much greater. You don't have to get everything aligning just so for cold and snow to happen.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Saint Snow
08 February 2022 21:26:26



Our winters now frequently exist Feb-March anyway.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


Speak for yourself! Can't remember the last time we had decent snow in Feb. Dec, Jan, Mar: all had at least 2 good (+10cm) falls this century. I think the best Feb fall has been about 2cm.



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some faraway beach
08 February 2022 21:35:08


 


 


Speak for yourself! Can't remember the last time we had decent snow in Feb. Dec, Jan, Mar: all had at least 2 good (+10cm) falls this century. I think the best Feb fall has been about 2cm.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Brilliant sledging here 1st Feb. 2019. Schools and roads closed, the lot! Mind you, I remember walking up the same hill three weeks later sweating in a tee-shirt, as we switched back from weather to climate change.


Edit: Great pic from Bath that morning:


https://www.alamy.com/uk-weather-bath-somerset-england-1st-february-2019-heavy-snow-brings-the-city-to-a-standstill-image234326803.html


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2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
CField
08 February 2022 21:45:08

Seem to get Mediterranean style winters now especially in the south without the risk of the very cold incursions which the real Med get, Feb March 2018 was just a flukey puff of dust really.


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some faraway beach
08 February 2022 21:53:46

March 2018 was epic! Even as late as 19 March there was a fresh fall of deep snow and excellent sledging. And that's just 30 m above sea level in Somerset!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwWPlT371I8


 


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
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08 February 2022 22:02:59


Seem to get Mediterranean style winters now especially in the south without the risk of the very cold incursions which the real Med get, Feb March 2018 was just a flukey puff of dust really.


Originally Posted by: CField 


There have been plenty of serious snow and cold events here, for example last February. And then last April air frosts all but 4 or 5 nights
March 2018 was also very  severe at the start with major drifting and day time highs about -3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsp85hPXyYo



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