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moomin75
12 August 2022 09:36:09


 


Sods Law says.....


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Was going to say the same. GUARANTEED to be the coldest winter since 1962/3 now!!


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Saint Snow
12 August 2022 09:43:18


 


Important point. For the sake of household budgets and the weakening of Russia we really need this winter to be the mildest on record in Western Europe.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


I'll bank on a cold one, then 



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Rob K
12 August 2022 09:44:28


Was going to say the same. GUARANTEED to be the coldest winter since 1962/3 now!!


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Well I have been scavenging wood in preparation for the stupidly oversized woodburner going into my house as part of the renovation (as well as underfloor heating and a heat pump, which hopefully won't be needed too much with the fire).


 


Having said that, with the amount the renovation is costing I could probably heat my house for the rest of my life by just building a big bonfire of £50 notes each winter. 


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Zubzero
12 August 2022 10:13:26


 


Well I have been scavenging wood in preparation for the stupidly oversized woodburner going into my house as part of the renovation (as well as underfloor heating and a heat pump, which hopefully won't be needed too much with the fire).


 


Having said that, with the amount the renovation is costing I could probably heat my house for the rest of my life by just building a big bonfire of £50 notes each winter. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Good luck burning the new polymer notes tongue-out


 


With the impending monsoon season just days away now!


 


https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=312&y=105&run=0&ext=1&mode=3&sort=0


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moomin75
12 August 2022 10:45:42

6Z GFS has a go at pulling the high pressure back in, but then goes really unsettled, and exceptionally cool for August just past day ten.
Would envisage this being a cold outlier for sure, as surely we can't be looking at 11c as a maximum just after next week in August?


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TimS
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12 August 2022 10:58:05


6Z GFS has a go at pulling the high pressure back in, but then goes really unsettled, and exceptionally cool for August just past day ten.
Would envisage this being a cold outlier for sure, as surely we can't be looking at 11c as a maximum just after next week in August?


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Its probably a bit of an outlier with tte deep dartboard low, but like most other recent runs it builds high pressure into the last week of August. Given this and the long term ensembles from both ECM and GFS I’d say there’s a good chance of a decent settled end of school holidays and August bank holiday. 


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Rob K
12 August 2022 11:17:30
With the exception of that dartboard (which I am sure will be gone next run) the GFS looks pretty HP dominated to finish August.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=0&y=0&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&run=6&ext=1&mode=3&sort=0 

The GEFS mean is back above 1015mb for much of the country by Thursday.
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12 August 2022 11:37:55


 


Sods Law says.....


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Hubby and I were discussing this yesterday.  Our pyracantha has more berries than any other year, same with the hawthorn and lots of blackberries in hedgerows too.  Signs of a hard winter?  Hopefully not, as we’ll be mid-built of our granny annex!  


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scillydave
12 August 2022 11:42:22
https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=0&y=0&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&run=6&ext=1&mode=3&sort=0 

The GEFS mean is back above 1015mb for much of the country by Thursday.


Indeed - P13 has only 0.1mm for the entire run.


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Rob K
12 August 2022 13:02:31

The entire short run up to 192 that is.


 


Interesting that the GEFS mean pressure is back to exactly where we are today by the end of the run.


 



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The Beast from the East
12 August 2022 16:12:45

UKMO and GFS looking similar, not that much rain for areas that need it, SE rain shield in operation perhaps


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Chunky Pea
12 August 2022 16:18:24

Mildest winters on record are normally very wet and stormy as well. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Rob K
12 August 2022 16:23:59

Considering some runs have been bringing 0C 850mb air to the south, the 12Z GFS is very warm, only dipping into high single figures briefly in the next week down south.


 


Top temps from the 12Z op run from Monday: 32, 28, 26, 25, 28, 27. Not really that much of a cooldown on this evidence!


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Rob K
12 August 2022 17:03:26
And it just keeps going. Only 2 days failing to reach 27C right out to la la land.
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Brian Gaze
12 August 2022 17:07:50

Not sure if mentioned already but the 00z ECM ENS suggests another heat up during the last third of August. 


 


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ballamar
12 August 2022 17:09:18
Will there actually be a breakdown in the SE - increasing potential for the dry weather to continue
moomin75
12 August 2022 17:10:38

Will there actually be a breakdown in the SE - increasing potential for the dry weather to continue

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


Still some useful rain in the coming days, but the 12z nowhere near as cool  and unsettled as the 6z was.


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The Beast from the East
12 August 2022 17:32:39

GEM offers some hope for rain, though seems to be isolated


 


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Sevendust
12 August 2022 17:39:31


Still some useful rain in the coming days, but the 12z nowhere near as cool  and unsettled as the 6z was.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


The problem is the rain will be convective in nature. Some may get a deluge, others nothing. Next month and beyond we can hope for more steady rain if we're lucky

moomin75
12 August 2022 17:51:32


 


The problem is the rain will be convective in nature. Some may get a deluge, others nothing. Next month and beyond we can hope for more steady rain if we're lucky


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

Well, if we don't get significant rain through the Autumn and winter we could be in big strife next summer. 


Could this be a repeat of 1975/76 pattern?


If so, it will become pretty severe.


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TimS
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12 August 2022 18:17:42


Mildest winters on record are normally very wet and stormy as well. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Winter 1988/9 says hello. 


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moomin75
12 August 2022 18:37:23
ECM 12Z going down the unsettled route.
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TimS
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12 August 2022 18:49:12

ECM 12Z going down the unsettled route.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Just as GFS came onboard. But it’s not that bad, and pressure building long term.


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Ally Pally Snowman
12 August 2022 19:27:17

GEFS getting warmer again. Little rain aswell.a growing trend 



 


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moomin75
12 August 2022 19:28:58


GEFS getting warmer again. Little rain aswell.a growing trend 



 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

It's a fairly dry outlier Ally, and with ECM looking a bit more unsettled, I think its anyone's guess after the heatwave dies out early next week.


Pretty sure we will see continued warmth for another month in patches, but a lot more rain too.


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