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Jiries
01 September 2022 19:08:04


At least these  hurricanes will keep things warm! We need them to stall out west


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Last year they did gave us a 30C heat in September and hope we get it again to top up my indoor temps, was rather cool 21.5 to 22C when I got home from work because shutters was opened for 2 nights so now reach back to 23-24C thanks to warm sunshine.   Those ex Hurricane often stalled in the west before moving in later and also helped to push the lazy AZ high over us, always want to sit in the SW of us for no reason.

Lionel Hutz
01 September 2022 21:22:22


 


Tbh I think it would be more of a meterological omg than something we should actually worry about.


If a hurricane ever does hit the UK it will be cat 1 and the strong winds will be in places fairly used to it. In the UK hurricane force winds happen every few years anyway; a Cat1 briefly producing hurricane force winds before rapidly transitioning or dying inland will still be an impressive weather event but not the most extreme in terms of wind strength.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Hurricane Ophelia reached Ireland in 2018(except it wasn't still a hurricane, of course). Now, I'm at a location that is "fairly used to it" but I can assure you that Ophelia was a nasty event. And if Ophelia was nasty, I certainly wouldn't be blasé about a real hurricane reaching us, category 1 or not.


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Gusty
02 September 2022 06:57:21

Until the jet fires up and starts pushing mobile fronts through at regular intervals the outlook is still a relatively dry and warm one for the eastern half of Britain. Aberdeenshire coast excepted.


Any showers continue to look hit and miss over Eastern Britain. 


 


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Brian Gaze
02 September 2022 07:02:17


Until the jet fires up and pushing mobile fronts through at regular intervals the outlook is still a relatively dry one for the eastern half of Britain. Any showers continue to look hit and miss here. 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


If recent times are a good guide then I would suggest that for most the showers will be miss and miss. 


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DEW
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02 September 2022 07:03:58

WX temps charts show the cooler air which is still waiting at the Polish border in week 1 finally making a move on W Europe, and in week 2 only England and W France are just hanging on to some warmth (and the Med is still hot, of course). A lot of rain for the Atlantic fringes of the British Isles week 1, stretching patchily across C Europe, replaced by a heavier and continuous band from France (just touching S Britain) to Hungary.


Jet - a loop forming W of Ireland tomorrow, decaying but strong enough to draw in the two ex-hurricanes as they weaken over the next week or so. Suggestion of a new loop forming over Britain Sun 18th . 


GFS Op - LP 1005 mb Ireland tomorrow (and a larger one over W Russia) hanging around while Hurricane (ex TS Danielle presumably ) edges closer from mid-Atlantic. By Fri 9th the original LP has crossed to E England, making a link with the LP in Russia, and Danielle has been joined by another hurricane from the SW so there is a continuous trough of LP from the Carolina coast to W Russia. The two hurricanes start interacting but weakening and result in a general area of LP 1000mb Brittany Wed 14th. A brief rise of pressure is then followed by LP out of Newfoundland reaching N Ireland 1000mb Sun 18th.


GEFS - for all the above mean temp is remarkably stable and close to norm with few significant outliers. Rain around throughout, most likely to be heavy in the middle of next week, a bit earlier in the west; and one or two ens members with spectacularly heavy falls in the W & N later on.


ECM - like GFS to Thu 8th then dramatically different. The local LP does move slowly across Britain but Danielle moves sharply N-wards to Greenland by Sat 10th allowing pressure to rise slowly over the British Isles before Danielle's remnants re-organise and approach Scotland from the NW Mon 12th. The second hurricane never makes an appearance.


A long time since I've seen ECM and GFS so different.


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Hippydave
02 September 2022 07:38:32


Until the jet fires up and starts pushing mobile fronts through at regular intervals the outlook is still a relatively dry and warm one for the eastern half of Britain. Aberdeenshire coast excepted.


Any showers continue to look hit and miss over Eastern Britain. 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Since the current unsettled spell first appeared the trend in the models has been to reduce the amount of any rainfall making it to our part of the world although just going on the ECM HR charts we do eventually see some noticeable rain by the end of Wednesday next week. Even then though we're still one of the driest spots and amounts aren't anything unusual. 


Personally I'd quite like some autumnal feeling days with cloud and rain, would make a change from relentless warm and dry if nothing else


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02 September 2022 08:47:39


A long time since I've seen ECM and GFS so different.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Which one will be right? Big differences in the outlook depending on which way it goes. The other possibility of course is a direct hit from an ex-hurricane which could be very interesting given the current warmth of our local waters. 


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Quantum
02 September 2022 10:09:37

ICON0Z is insane. Hurricane hits France.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Downpour
02 September 2022 10:13:59
A relatively warm and fairly dry outlook for the more populous half of the UK. Next weekend 9-11 Sep looking pretty good at this early juncture. Summer continues.
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Quantum
02 September 2022 10:18:35

I don't think the possibility of a TC hitting Europe next week can be ignored.


Again while not quite unprecedented, this is an extrodinarily rare event. If a Hurricane (not an ex) hits the UK (or tbh even a TS) that will be comparable to the rarity of the 40C in the UK, arguably even more impressive.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
DEW
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02 September 2022 10:23:13

A relatively warm and fairly dry outlook for the more populous half of the UK. Next weekend 9-11 Sep looking pretty good at this early juncture. Summer continues.

Originally Posted by: Downpour 


Looks like a brief weekend interlude before the Atlantic and its hurricanes force their way back in (and with all that unfocused energy on the Atlantic, I wouldn't pin my hopes too strongly on any forecast).


Make the most of the weekend!


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Downpour
02 September 2022 11:52:28


 


Looks like a brief weekend interlude before the Atlantic and its hurricanes force their way back in (and with all that unfocused energy on the Atlantic, I wouldn't pin my hopes too strongly on any forecast).


Make the most of the weekend!


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Warm weekend this weekend and warm weekend next weekend is the form horse. It could change of course, but that’s quite a summery outlook for the SE quadrant at least.


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Quantum
02 September 2022 12:07:12


Pertubation 5 on GEFS6Z.


This is bonkers. Its difficult to tell whether this is still a TC but if it isn't it will have transitioned mere hours ago.


Let me repeat: We are starting to see some ensembles show a literal hurricane hit the british Isles or at least come very close.


Not an 'ex hurricane', not 'hurricane winds' but a real warm cored hot blooded hurricane.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
02 September 2022 12:13:10

Looks to me there are maybe 4 or so ensembles that show a transitioning TC hitting the british isles.


I think if this happens it may be more impressive than the 40C.


 


In terms of weather impacts, less so, albeit it will be pretty windy for a bit!


But meterologically speaking to see a named storm hit the UK is just insane.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
02 September 2022 12:19:22


In other news WRF spins up this which seems to have partial tropical characturistics in itself?!


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
scillydave
02 September 2022 13:35:35



In other news WRF spins up this which seems to have partial tropical characturistics in itself?!


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


I genuinely hope that if we do have a hurricane reach these shores that they bring Michael Fish out of retirement for a one off forecast special.


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picturesareme
02 September 2022 14:08:06


Looks to me there are maybe 4 or so ensembles that show a transitioning TC hitting the british isles.


I think if this happens it may be more impressive than the 40C.


 


In terms of weather impacts, less so, albeit it will be pretty windy for a bit!


But meterologically speaking to see a named storm hit the UK is just insane.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Wouldn't be the first time a tropical cyclone has hit our shores whilst transitioning.

Quantum
02 September 2022 14:09:57


 


Wouldn't be the first time a tropical cyclone has hit our shores whilst transitioning.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


It would, there has never been a classified TC hitting the UK; in other words every TC has already finsihed its transition by the time it hits the UK. Note that a TC is still defined as a TC provided the transition has not finished.


I mean officially at least, I would dispute this with TS Grace (2009), but officially it is a true statement.


 


Edit: You might be thinking of Hurricane Debbie (1967), in recent years that has been declassified and was fully extratropical.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
02 September 2022 14:20:13

Several have got quite close though.


Ophelia and Pablo are notable recent examples. I think they may have even still been TCs while in UK territorial waters.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
picturesareme
02 September 2022 14:21:14


 


It would, there has never been a classified TC hitting the UK; in other words every TC has already finsihed its transition by the time it hits the UK. Note that a TC is still defined as a TC provided the transition has not finished.


I mean officially at least, I would dispute this with TS Grace (2009), but officially it is a true statement.


 


Edit: You might be thinking of Hurricane Debbie (1967), in recent years that has been declassified and was fully extratropical.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


1967 was hurricane faith and that one didn't transition until it entered the north sea. It past over the fairo islands and kept just out to sea but close enough to Scotland to be classified as UK waters.  There have been others to.


 

Quantum
02 September 2022 14:31:35


 


1967 was hurricane faith and that one didn't transition until it entered the north sea. It past over the fairo islands and kept just out to sea but close enough to Scotland to be classified as UK waters.  There have been others to.


 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


I think if we are talking about UK territorial waters, then the answer may well be yes, and you don't have to go back to 1967 to find examples. But a TC landfalling in the UK? No good evidence that has ever happened (though I believe it has, its just extrordinarily rare, kinda like 40C without climate change).


Also with storms like Faith and Debbie I'm skeptical (was debbie 63?), if they happened today they would probably have been declared extratropical later. Nevertheless neither storm landfalled in the british isles anyway.


 


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So I think Grace was still a TC while in that extreme SW corner of UK/Ireland for example.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Bow Echo
02 September 2022 17:33:34

TS Danielle now upgraded to Hurricane Danielle.


 


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The Beast from the East
02 September 2022 17:51:25

A fair few GEFS bring Danielle across the UK, as what I will leave that to Q



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The Beast from the East
02 September 2022 17:56:44

Warm core clearly visible on this run as she approaches the Uk



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Whether Idle
02 September 2022 18:08:35


 


I think if we are talking about UK territorial waters, then the answer may well be yes, and you don't have to go back to 1967 to find examples. But a TC landfalling in the UK? No good evidence that has ever happened (though I believe it has, its just extrordinarily rare, kinda like 40C without climate change).


Also with storms like Faith and Debbie I'm skeptical (was debbie 63?), if they happened today they would probably have been declared extratropical later. Nevertheless neither storm landfalled in the british isles anyway.


 


 


So I think Grace was still a TC while in that extreme SW corner of UK/Ireland for example.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Only a complete moron would believe that 40c was attainable in the UK without climate change,,,the lunatics are taking over the asylum...


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