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fairweather
22 March 2023 10:20:15

Thanks both, and yes sorry I think my grey matter must be deceiving me, 2020 only saw 16.6 and 2018's max was only 13.6 here. Even though we're rural, and at reasonable elevation for down here, 2020 seems likely. Slightly surprising but maybe it shouldn't be...

Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 


The perception is because it has been so cloudy all the time and that has meant that for here , at least, the mean maximum is very low, almost 4C lower than last year. Daffodils only just come into flower - the same ones that have been known to be out in late January in previous years.
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fairweather
22 March 2023 10:30:20

To turn the question on its head, 20C has been reached in some year for every day in March after the first week ( and several days in the first week reached 19-point-something, too)
https://www.torro.org.uk/extremes/date-records/max-temp 

Originally Posted by: DEW 


Interesting that none of the ones for the first half of March have fallen this century and the majority much earlier. Seems to confound the notion of earlier Springs with climate change. Be interesting to see sunshine hours for March, because that is a major factor in high March temperatures and it could be that the mean March temperature is higher due to more cloud giving warmer nights and more even daily maximums with less peak highs.
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idj20
22 March 2023 10:34:13
While putting together my own forecast for my facebook group, I've noticed how GFS has been the only model being bullish with showing a short spell of 60 mph gusts associated with a developing "runner" low over Kent for tomorrow evening, yet other models are showing a toned down version with 30/40 mph gusts but still a wet evening anyway.
  60 mph gusts aren't that exceptional or even unusual for this time of year, just struggling in terms of my local forecasting. It seems the proof is in the pudding come the moment but would be a coup for GFS if it came off.
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Jiries
22 March 2023 13:22:14

While putting together my own forecast for my facebook group, I've noticed how GFS has been the only model being bullish with showing a short spell of 60 mph gusts associated with a developing "runner" low over Kent for tomorrow evening, yet other models are showing a toned down version with 30/40 mph gusts but still a wet evening anyway.
  60 mph gusts aren't that exceptional or even unusual for this time of year, just struggling in terms of my local forecasting. It seems the proof is in the pudding come the moment but would be a coup for GFS if it came off.

Originally Posted by: idj20 



Easier average wind speed from each model? from what you put down it likely average at 45 to 50mph.  This boring unwelcome rain and wasted mild temps that not useable outside seem want to carry on.  March going out without a normal seasonal few days of March warmth.
Snow Hoper
22 March 2023 13:41:10

While putting together my own forecast for my facebook group, I've noticed how GFS has been the only model being bullish with showing a short spell of 60 mph gusts associated with a developing "runner" low over Kent for tomorrow evening, yet other models are showing a toned down version with 30/40 mph gusts but still a wet evening anyway.
  60 mph gusts aren't that exceptional or even unusual for this time of year, just struggling in terms of my local forecasting. It seems the proof is in the pudding come the moment but would be a coup for GFS if it came off.

Originally Posted by: idj20 



The Meto deep dive also mentions this possibility.
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doctormog
22 March 2023 17:32:41
Some of the output for the weekend and beyond is depressingly chilly again.

The Met Office model looks one of the chilliest: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMHDOPUK12_162_2.png  however the 12z ensemble mean here now also dips to -9.7°C (t850hPa) by Sunday.
UncleAlbert
22 March 2023 20:50:10

Some of the output for the weekend and beyond is depressingly chilly again.

The Met Office model looks one of the chilliest: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMHDOPUK12_162_2.png  however the 12z ensemble mean here now also dips to -9.7°C (t850hPa) by Sunday.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Yes, unfortunately no blankets on the ground for a while yet.  MOGREPS seems increasingly keen on prolonging the chill into next week.  Tentative signs in GEFS that things may buck up as we go towards Easter with heights building over UK.
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23 March 2023 07:36:52
WX temp charts show W Europe near norm excluding a cold Scandinavia and to a lesser extent Scotland in week 1. Then although there is some movement of cold air S-wards over Russia & Poland, this is on a broad front, less directed S-wards than yesterday. Warmth remains over S Spain and the Caspian, even there moving away to the S. Heavy rain from the Atlantic across Britain and Europe generally except Spain week 1, breaking up into more local patches in week 2.

GFS Op - trough from W of Ireland E-wards well established, local centres 985mb NI Sat 25th and 995mb Cornwall Sun 26th before moving off E-wards, briefly N-lies on back edge. New LP from Atlantic moving in, SW-lies at first, then it gets closer 975mb Clyde Fri 31st. HP then develops in the Atlantic to become a broad area Eire to Norway 1040mb Thu 6th. It looks as if this may split into two as LP develops over E France Sat 8th.

ECM - similar at first but the 'new LP' arrives a bit later and then heads across England 1000mb Sun 2nd. HP then remains rather distant to the W.

GEFS - temps dipping from seasonal norm to 6 or 7C below Tue 28th recovering quickly to 2 or 3 C above Fri 31st with good agreement from ens members, after which wide divergence either side of norm. Some sharp pulses of rain at first in the S, but much less in Scotland where it could well fall as snow on the 27th , then small amounts on and off throughout in time and space.
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four
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23 March 2023 08:51:15
GFS looks much more springlike into April this morning but has been flipping even more than usual lately.
Nothing too wintery in this early April period anyway, which often brings us a late heavy snow event.
e.g. 10th 2021

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tierradelfuego
23 March 2023 19:52:08

GFS looks much more springlike into April this morning but has been flipping even more than usual lately.
Nothing too wintery in this early April period anyway, which often brings us a late heavy snow event.
e.g. 10th 2021

Originally Posted by: four 



It has been for a few days, and still is the general picture on the 12z Op and overall GEFS, down here at least.

The fact that I have the 1st week of April off work and it's the start of the trout season has nothing to do with my prejudice for a more settled spell of weather that week 🙄
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DEW
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24 March 2023 07:42:00
WX temp charts back onto shrinkage mode as far as freezing weather is concerned. For the next 2 weeks Europe is generally mild with only Scandinavia below norm. Iberia and the Caspian remain the favoured places for warmth. Pptn quite widely across Europe incl Britain week 1, becoming concentrated in E Europe and N Atlantic in week 2 incl N Scotland - rest of Britain simply damp.

GFS Op - LP 970mb W of Ireland moving to Norway Sun 26th leaving a local depression 995mb Bristol Channel. New LP mid-Atlantic producing first SW-lies and then projecting a trough across N Britain Thu 30th before HP rises from the S 1025mb English Channel Tue 4th. This moves NW-wards allowing LP (which has never really left Scandinavia) to surge W-wards 995mb Denmark Sat 8th with N-lies for Britain on its western edge.

ECM - quite close to GFS

GEFS - a sharp dip in temps (6-7C below seasonal norm) for Mon 27th, brief in S, an extra day or two in N; back up to mild  Thu 30th, all with good agreement of ens members. From Sun 2nd mean temp remains near norm with a wide range of ens members on either side. A burst of rain in the S overnight Sat/Sun 25th/26th (chance of snow on N edge), then  more generally damp in w/b Wed 29th (some heavy rain in W esp NW), declining thereafter.

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24 March 2023 08:40:13
Mischievous chart alert. 

Could we have a white Easter in favoured locations?

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&time=384&run=0&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6 
 
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Snow Hoper
24 March 2023 10:02:37

Mischievous chart alert. 

Could we have a white Easter in favoured locations?

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&time=384&run=0&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6 
 

Originally Posted by: GezM 



My Birthday is Good Friday and I have often seen snow falling.
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Caz
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24 March 2023 11:10:16

Mischievous chart alert. 

Could we have a white Easter in favoured locations?

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=2&time=384&run=0&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6 
 

Originally Posted by: GezM 

I think we’ve had as many white Easters as White Christmas’s. 
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CField
25 March 2023 00:13:52
Like the latest GFS charts....a similar style to summer 2018 could evolve.That summer fizzled out by late July early August.Our patterns definitely seem more set in stone than the past.... ...
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Caz
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25 March 2023 05:56:44

Like the latest GFS charts....a similar style to summer 2018 could evolve.That summer fizzled out by late July early August.Our patterns definitely seem more set in stone than the past.... ...

Originally Posted by: CField 

We could probably pattern match to anything if we look hard enough but I don’t think we can forecast on that basis.  We’ve had some unusual and record breaking weather in recent years.  Beast from the East in 2018, 40c in 2022.  Maybe patterns but more extreme?
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Caz
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25 March 2023 09:17:12
Is anyone going to post today?  DEW’s away for a couple of days, so not expecting his report. 
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doctormog
25 March 2023 09:20:22

Is anyone going to post today?  DEW’s away for a couple of days, so not expecting his report. 

Originally Posted by: Caz 



I’ll post when the output looks better. 🤣

Thankfully the ensemble data look less cold than this morning’s op runs.
Caz
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25 March 2023 10:04:26

I’ll post when the output looks better. 🤣

Thankfully the ensemble data look less cold than this morning’s op runs.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

🤣I think everyone’s doing the same!  
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idj20
25 March 2023 10:09:34
Looking at the 06z GFS run, it's looking more like a backward step to Autumn rather than a leap forward into Spring. Seems we are paying the price for the wonderfully benign February.
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doctormog
25 March 2023 10:15:23

Looking at the 06z GFS run, it's looking more like a backward step to Autumn rather than a leap forward into Spring. Seems we are paying the price for the wonderfully benign February.

Originally Posted by: idj20 



Yes, it really is a horrible run so far, very unsettled at times in many southern parts and unpleasantly cold up here.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_150_1.png 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_168_1.png  
idj20
25 March 2023 10:31:50

Yes, it really is a horrible run so far, very unsettled at times in many southern parts and unpleasantly cold up here.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_150_1.png 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_168_1.png  

Originally Posted by: doctormog 



So much for the saying "March comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb". 😂
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DEW
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25 March 2023 10:40:58
I'm at my daughter's so will be home again tomorrow for the new weekly thread. Meanwhile, adjusting to a different domestic schedule and therefore a bit late ...

WX charts - the freezing area continues to shrink N-wards and by week 2 is essentially only affecting Scandinavia (they've been having a miserably cold winter throughout). But the bad news is that some of that coldness, not quite freezing, escapes into the rest of N Europe including Britain which goes from average in week 1 to cold in week 2 (and a spot of blue for the highlands). Wet for Britain and most of Europe in week 1, not quite as intense in week 2 but by no means dry.

GFS Op - current trough off to Scandinavia where it hangs around; by Tue Britain in N-lies and a brief ridge of HP. New LP from Atlantic hot on its heels, closer and further S than yesterday 975mb S Wales Fri 31st when it proceeds to link with that in Scandinavia and pulls in NE-lies. Again a brief ridge of HP before the next LP develops and after bouncing around in the near Atlantic for a few days gets to Faeroes 980mb Sat 8th with cold trough S to all of Britain.

ECM fairly similar though the LP over Wales on 31st is shallower and more of a secondary to the main centre on the Atlantic. But then a minimal period of HP as this secondary pushes on into France and continues to affect S Britain through to Tue 4th.

GEFS - rather like yesterday; dip in temps Tue 27th with rain (heavy in S; lighter but as snow in N), then briefly milder before mean returns to norm Sat 1st. Then a slight dip in temps before back to norm for a long period but the Op is persistently 10C below norm through to Mon 10th. (Cheer up! the Op is an outlier so today's pessimistic outlook is definitely subject to change)
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doctormog
25 March 2023 10:55:59
The problem with the 00z op run(s) is that the 06z op run follows the same cold theme. It is out to the 7th of April so far: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU06_324_2.png  
ballamar
25 March 2023 11:54:24
Was hoping for a warm Easter at the moment looking quite cold, possibly wet in the south and wintry in more northern areas. Hope it’s wrong

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