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Downpour
09 January 2024 23:18:40

Very uncertain indeed. I was merely highlighting the prospects of possible further flooding in the south, which believe it or not is more important to some people than falling snow, which can of course be a flooding threat itself. 

 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 



Indeed - certainly what we will be looking to avoid like the plague is any more rain. Hence my comment earlier that the hateful cliche “high risk high reward” - nine times out of ten translates into another soaking. 
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Gandalf The White
09 January 2024 23:34:44

I’m glad we’re singing from the same hymn sheet 😇 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 



We are not, since I have nothing in my music collection relating to trolls….

😉
Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


fairweather
10 January 2024 00:30:53
It's quite good being out all day and missing 2 1/2 runs and then reading the forum. It does tend to show that most of us including myself  either don't really know what we are talking about or neither do the experts! What I do know is that for some reason or the other the GFS Op run has been at the mild end for 3 or 4 consecutive runs now. Why that should be I have no idea but it makes a hell of difference to perceptions on here till the relief of the ensembles comes out. 😉 I don't see anything much different to yesterday as the uncertainty from Jan15th is still unresolved.
S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
10 January 2024 00:44:57

It's quite good being out all day and missing 2 1/2 runs and then reading the forum. It does tend to show that most of us including myself  either don't really know what we are talking about or neither do the experts! What I do know is that for some reason or the other the GFS Op run has been at the mild end for 3 or 4 consecutive runs now. Why that should be I have no idea but it makes a hell of difference to perceptions on here till the relief of the ensembles comes out. 😉 I don't see anything much different to yesterday as the uncertainty from Jan15th is still unresolved.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 



Same here. Unfortunately i can’t check the models during the day at the moment as I am having some medical treatment so just catching up in the night and seeing how many posts from certain people gives an indication whether it’s good or bad without even having to read them all!
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Quantum
10 January 2024 01:06:22
That 18Z GFS run in FI is one of the coldest (surface level) I've ever seen. Obviously its just a fantasy; but it shows what a truly extreme cold spell in the UK might look like.
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2024 05:15:19
GFS joins the snow party.  GEM and UKMO also cold no real drama this morning a good start.
 
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Retron
10 January 2024 05:28:43

That 18Z GFS run in FI is one of the coldest (surface level) I've ever seen. Obviously its just a fantasy; but it shows what a truly extreme cold spell in the UK might look like.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It was actually reminiscent of the sort of winters we used to get in the 80s - nice to see those sorts of charts, and the oscillation between Scandinavia > Greenland > Scandinavia was absolutely textbook.

The morning runs have so far kept the "high risk, high reward" scenario alive, but moving the battleground further south. Not only does that mean more areas see snow for more than 6 hours, it means the window remains open for a move back to Scandinavia, albeit not as emphatically as the 18z GFS showed last night!

The risk of a rainfest remains, but at least there's now a better chance of some snow before it happens.
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CField
10 January 2024 06:54:35

It was actually reminiscent of the sort of winters we used to get in the 80s - nice to see those sorts of charts, and the oscillation between Scandinavia > Greenland > Scandinavia was absolutely textbook.

The morning runs have so far kept the "high risk, high reward" scenario alive, but moving the battleground further south. Not only does that mean more areas see snow for more than 6 hours, it means the window remains open for a move back to Scandinavia, albeit not as emphatically as the 18z GFS showed last night!

The risk of a rainfest remains, but at least there's now a better chance of some snow before it happens.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Think South Wales could hit the jackpot.....
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Joe Bloggs
10 January 2024 06:57:56
Very snowy runs this morning. 

GFS op has improved which is good to see. Will take a look at the ensembles shortly. 

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Ally Pally Snowman
10 January 2024 07:06:06
Ecm also has a massive snow event for the Midlands on the 17th.
 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
10 January 2024 07:19:39
A messy picture this morning. Still looks odds on for an end of the dry spell early/ mid week next week. Particularly for the south. Perhaps wetter than Met office originally expected. 
Rob K
10 January 2024 07:37:09
The 17th definitely looks like the day to watch for something noteworthy. Only a week to go!

Even the iPhone app has joined in the fun with nine hours of  heavy snow for my location. 
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doctormog
10 January 2024 07:43:33
Interestingly from a local perspective the GEFS 00z set are the coldest so far with the mean (t850hPa) now reaching -10.6°C here on Monday. The overall timescale remains consistent.

Overall it is a very messy picture and details are still changing for the period early next onwards. Some very interesting options are available.
MStewart
10 January 2024 07:46:48
ECM 0z at +192. I almost stood up on a crowed commuter train and fist pumped! This will reinforce the cold for the next system.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=0&time=192&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 
 
(Hope the link works!)
Mark
Twickenham
12m ASL
Heavy Weather 2013
10 January 2024 08:03:57

The 17th definitely looks like the day to watch for something noteworthy. Only a week to go!

Even the iPhone app has joined in the fun with nine hours of  heavy snow for my location. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Mine is the same when you drill into the day. The main symbol is rain. But I’ll take it, shows the potential. Gosh it’s going to be a long seven days of model watching. 
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Matty H
10 January 2024 08:09:35

Mine is the same when you drill into the day. The main symbol is rain. But I’ll take it, shows the potential. Gosh it’s going to be a long seven days of model watching. 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 



My iPhone weather app is showing just snow. By the same token my BBC app is showing nothing but rain, whilst my Met Office app for the same timescale late Tuesday shows it dry,  which kind of shows the futility of looking at them at that range for anything other than novelty value. A bit like operational model outputs 
Whiteout
10 January 2024 08:09:49
Steady as you go today then, let's see what the 10 day trend throws up later...
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Hippydave
10 January 2024 08:14:01
After the 12z GFS I decided to start this mornings model scan through with that model so that everything else would be an improvement. Was pleasantly surprised instead! 

Whether it'll hold is debateable but seem to have crept closer to some model consensus this morning. 

HP builds towards Greenland allowing cold air to flood south - 14th Jan Scotland and by 15th Jan it's over most of the country. Some snow for prone areas in the north and maybe  some showers drifting down some of the coasts.
A lobe of HP collapses south and drifts into the near continent, leaving a milder but still chilly slice with a second cold push from the north. At the same time LP is encroaching from the SW.
The LP bumps in to the colder air over the UK circa 16th, with snow for some - obviously the track won't be right at this stage so where the snow/rain boundary sits is guesswork and it might not even get to the south*.  The LP moves west to east and helps to reinforce the cold over the south, further North it's already established with further snow for some.
Further LPs move up from the south west, more likely to introduce snow to rain for parts of the south, colder air probably remains for at least another couple of days further north.
Deeper into FI and most options remain possible from mild to cold, GFS builds HP over Scandinavia which is enough to keep cold (and east coast haar😜) for Scotland.


*As some of the ens members still show it could also get much further north and stick a chunk of the country in to transient snow, then mild and damp).

Overall it's not quite the full bullpen to chuck in a 99 reference but it's still very noice😋

So if the consensus holds and the milder scatter in the ens disappears a decent chance of 5 days of mostly cold weather in the south, probably 7 days or so at least for Scotland, maybe northern England. Chances of disruptive snowfall for some fairly high. 
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Heavy Weather 2013
10 January 2024 08:14:22

ECM 0z at +192. I almost stood up on a crowed commuter train and fist pumped! This will reinforce the cold for the next system.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=0&time=192&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 
 
(Hope the link works!)

Originally Posted by: MStewart 



Oh my that is very good 
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Caz
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10 January 2024 08:18:16

The 17th definitely looks like the day to watch for something noteworthy. Only a week to go!

Even the iPhone app has joined in the fun with nine hours of  heavy snow for my location. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

My iPhone app says snow here too from Thursday into Friday.  However, it also says it’s snowing here now and it’s actually dry. 🤷‍♀️
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MStewart
10 January 2024 08:19:38
iPhone weather for twickenham showing around 13cm falling snow Wednesday through Friday. I’m not expecting bbc or meto to join for some time, just thinking of the national hysteria that would create with nothing guaranteed at this range
Mark
Twickenham
12m ASL
Brian Gaze
10 January 2024 08:23:17
Still looks marginal in the south to me but the snow prospects for the north are excellent. The ensembles (GEFS below) suggest we're not quite playing in the Premier League at the moment, at least in terms of the depth of cold which is being forecast. We don't need -10C 850s for snow, particularly if there is a continental feed, but next week could be messy in the south. The snow stamps are currently showing a much greater risk in central and northern areas

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fullybhoy
10 January 2024 08:38:50

iPhone weather for twickenham showing around 13cm falling snow Wednesday through Friday. I’m not expecting bbc or meto to join for some time, just thinking of the national hysteria that would create with nothing guaranteed at this range

Originally Posted by: MStewart 



iPhone app showing sunny days here from Sunday onwards , but very cold 🥶 
Aldo
Glasgow 165m/asl
 
ballamar
10 January 2024 08:54:32
Forecasters nightmare at the moment! Might get a little clearer nearer the time but pockets of sub zero/above zero dew points will make it watch what is falling half the time! M4 corridor is the most important weather boundary and will show its worth again no doubt 
Gandalf The White
10 January 2024 09:02:11

iPhone weather for twickenham showing around 13cm falling snow Wednesday through Friday. I’m not expecting bbc or meto to join for some time, just thinking of the national hysteria that would create with nothing guaranteed at this range

Originally Posted by: MStewart 



 I’ve just checked, out of curiosity, three locations for next Wednesday on my XCWeather app. For here we have light snow in the evening; for Watford (previous home) a wintry mix from mid afternoon; for Winchester heavy sleet/snow from around noon - giving 20mm or 20cm if all snow.

It just shows how much difference there is and why the detail and timing will be elusive for a few days - possibly almost until this time next week.

We did have a similar scenario last winter, IIRC, where in the event the cold air pushed further south than expected. All things being equal the cold air is harder to shift simply because of the density.
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130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


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