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Saint Snow
16 July 2024 13:47:05
The GFS 6z isn't as bad - it returns to the theme of the AH ridging well into England/Wales and keeping the lows further north (still terrible for Scotland and the far north of England)

Well into FI, I know, but there's a moment at t+294 when high pressure is centred just off East Anglia (and covering almost all the BI) and a low is expanding SE'wards well to the SW of the UK (towards NW Iberia). You're thinking, "Go on, slide that energy under the UK high... do that and we're quids in!"

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Then in the next couple of frames, the energy instead soars northwards to first topple the high, then push it away eastwards before sinking fronts down over the northern half of the country.

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16 July 2024 14:11:46

I'm only about 30 miles further north than you 😉

Looking at the June maps, we're both under the same temp and sunshine colour-shades (you are very slightly drier). Scotland, NI and Cumbria are having a truly abysmal summer.

I wasn't actually aware I'd been overly complaining!  😳  I've been posting about the models from a 'I want dry and settled weather in summer' perspective, and noting how unusual this pattern of a stubborn PV that keeps spawning (it's like a cell dividing!) lows over that NE Canada/Greenland area that track straight for the UK, skittling any ridging AH out of the way. Am I getting too defensive, here? 😁

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yes, you’re getting a little defensive and you weren’t overly complaining.  We just know your preference is for something opposite to that of Retron.  I get that you’re not much further north than me, although I did think it was more than 30 miles.  You’re further West and we’re sheltered by the Pennines, which can make a considerable difference.  A little drier will do me, plus low 20’s and sunshine.  (Insert smiley emoji here!  I can’t do them on my phone). 
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Saint Snow
16 July 2024 14:20:07

Yes, you’re getting a little defensive and you weren’t overly complaining.  We just know your preference is for something opposite to that of Retron.  I get that you’re not much further north than me, although I did think it was more than 30 miles.  You’re further West and we’re sheltered by the Pennines, which can make a considerable difference.  A little drier will do me, plus low 20’s and sunshine.  (Insert smiley emoji here!  I can’t do them on my phone). 

Originally Posted by: Caz 



Think our summer preferences are quite aligned (I'd prefer mid-20's). I just want a month or so of almost no rain and lots of sunshine. Ideally covering my week in South Devon in early August!

I took the 30 miles as from Nottingham; you're about 12 miles further north, so actually less than 20 miles north of you (I'm about on a level with Rotherham). But yes, obviously a fair bit further west. 





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Chunky Pea
16 July 2024 14:31:50

The GFS 6z isn't as bad - it returns to the theme of the AH ridging well into England/Wales and keeping the lows further north (still terrible for Scotland and the far north of England)

Well into FI, I know, but there's a moment at t+294 when high pressure is centred just off East Anglia (and covering almost all the BI) and a low is expanding SE'wards well to the SW of the UK (towards NW Iberia). You're thinking, "Go on, slide that energy under the UK high... do that and we're quids in!"

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Then in the next couple of frames, the energy instead soars northwards to first topple the high, then push it away eastwards before sinking fronts down over the northern half of the country.

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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


It's a bit weird that a pattern that would bring a lot of damp weather here in the Autumn/Winter months brings so little rain in the summer. Apart from a sharp but brief shower here the other evening, it has been very dry this month so far. Grass showing subtle signs of yellowing but cracks in the soil really showing up now. 
Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Rob K
16 July 2024 14:36:25

It's a bit weird that a pattern that would bring a lot of damp weather here in the Autumn/Winter months brings so little rain in the summer. Apart from a sharp but brief shower here the other evening, it has been very dry this month so far. Grass showing subtle signs of yellowing but cracks in the soil really showing up now. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


No cracks likely around here for a while - got a proper soaking yesterday and after the grass was looking quite yellow a week or two ago I can practically watch it growing.

The models can't quite make up their mind whether it will settle down or whether the lows will keep digging south. The general picture today is not brilliant but quite useable, especially for the south. GFS and GEM both look like building enough of a ridge to keep it dry for my MTB event at the end of next week too.

Also signs that this Saturday might hang on as a warm day.
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Rob K
16 July 2024 14:42:10

The GFS 6z isn't as bad - it returns to the theme of the AH ridging well into England/Wales and keeping the lows further north (still terrible for Scotland and the far north of England)

Well into FI, I know, but there's a moment at t+294 when high pressure is centred just off East Anglia (and covering almost all the BI) and a low is expanding SE'wards well to the SW of the UK (towards NW Iberia). You're thinking, "Go on, slide that energy under the UK high... do that and we're quids in!"



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Take a look at the CFS and it does take the energy under the block. https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfse_cartes.php?ech=198&mode=0&carte=0&run=10
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Chunky Pea
16 July 2024 14:45:24

No cracks likely around here for a while - got a proper soaking yesterday and after the grass was looking quite yellow a week or two ago I can practically watch it growing.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Given the lack of direct sunshine (it always seems to be filtered through a stratiform layer of mid-level cloud at best) and no real excessive heat this month so far (thank Christ!) , this 'yellowing' is all the more remarkable I think. 
Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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picturesareme
16 July 2024 14:50:29

Still 29 on the latest here (and the MetO forecast is for the beach, rather than 0.5 miles inland where I am) - the old SW'ly foehn effect of course. Saturday's gone up to 28 now, mind you...  đŸ„”

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Warm night Friday into Saturday but for us Saturday is showing a cooler 23C.

In reality it'll probably be a degree or 3 higher than thr auto forecast 😂
StoneCroze
16 July 2024 15:24:49
Local forecast was showing the jet stream  moving back up over the UK, this should allow some milder air to progress and warm things up a bit as we get into the weekend.
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ballamar
16 July 2024 15:53:23
GFS op has 24 on Friday at 9am brilliant
Saint Snow
16 July 2024 16:55:23
12z  GFS takes us back backwards 
12z GEM again not too bad

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Taylor1740
16 July 2024 17:52:04
GFS 12z shows properly cool conditions setting in again for the end of July. All quite a long way out so subject to change but must be in with a realistic chance now of a sub 15c CET July given the longer range outlook after a brief warm blip over the next few days.
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ozone_aurora
16 July 2024 18:25:51
The Azores High is currently almost completely absent when seen from FAX charts.
johncs2016
16 July 2024 19:47:11

The Azores High is currently almost completely absent when seen from FAX charts.

Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


... and then when it comes to the winter when it is no longer welcome on our shores, it will no doubt be back with a vengeance.😡
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White Meadows
16 July 2024 19:57:23
Ooooh look out peeps, a heady 26c ‘heatwave’ approaching for 24 hours on Friday. 
Really puts this summer into perspective. CET still running at -1.5 quite likely lower when the cool conditions return from Sunday til month end.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html 

Retron
17 July 2024 04:35:24
Another day, another rise in temperatures - very disappointing for me, of course, but the heat-hounds should be happy.

We now have 30s on both Friday and Saturday, with overnight 18s - it's going to feel awfully sticky as a result, and I wouldn't want to be on the roads on Sunday! (Even heat-hounds tend to moan about the heat overnight, I've found).

It's an amazing change in just three days: on Sunday the forecasts were for 23 on Friday and 22 on Saturday, so they've gone up 7 and 8 degrees respectively. It is, however, consistent with what I was expecting: 14C 850s at this time of year in sunny conditions should result in 30C, give or take a degree.

The MetO raw also has 31s in places like Hammersmith on Friday, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 32 lurking somewhere nearby.
Still nothing in the red-tops. Surely they've got to catch on soon!

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/leys4.jpg 
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Tim A
17 July 2024 06:03:42
Even Leeds is showing a 28c Friday and 25c Saturday now. 
GFS looks a bit better overall now with warmer temperatures than recently and more settled as pressure is higher.
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LeedsLad123
17 July 2024 06:23:07

Probably because it's a SE event and nothing out of the ordinary for you guys

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


Met Office showing 28C for Leeds as mentioned above so not just a SE event.

Even as far north as Newcastle it’s showing 26C. It’s just Scotland as per usual that misses out.
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Brian Gaze
17 July 2024 06:40:48



The MetO raw also has 31s in places like Hammersmith on Friday, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 32 lurking somewhere nearby.

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A few of them.

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Retron
17 July 2024 07:04:57

A few of them.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


..and that's the UKV model too, as opposed to whatever the "new" MetO output is using. Good agreement there, and I can't help but notice the pool of 30s a fair bit further north too.

Oh, and regarding the trashy press - it's started! 😁The heat alert was in place yesterday, and I was wondering how long it'd take before it's picked up. Next up will be people saying "it's only summer, what do you expect"...

Yellow heat health warning issued for Kent with the county expected to be as hot as Ibiza, Paris and the Algarve

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/heat-health-warning-issued-as-kent-set-to-be-as-hot-as-ibiza-309888/ 

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17 July 2024 07:05:23
WX temp charts continuing to show cool-ish weather from the N Atlantic affecting N Europe while continuing hot in the Nediterranean and really hot around the Black Sea. A slight shift in week 2, with the emphasis on cooler weather moving to Scandinavia; S England hanging on to a little warmth but Scotland remaining cool. Rain fairly general in week 1 (except Spain); in week 2 a dry area developing in the N Sea including to some extent Britain, with areas of rain around its periphery.

GFS Op - HP for Britain at first followed by troughs swinging across on Sat 20th and Mon 22nd under the guidance of LP near Iceland. Then a break from the succession of LP of recent days; pressure rises mainly for England at first but for the whole country by Sun 28th; then it's the north's turn for HP as a shallow depression runs past Cornwall and into N France Tue 30th. The sequence finishes Fri 3rd with a narrow ridge of HP lying SW-NE across Britain.

GEFS - warm esp in the S to Fri 19th, then temps close to norm or on the cool side to Fri 26th, after which rising again though with ens members showing differences. Generally dry for a few days, then a little rain from time to time in the S & E, heavier at times in the W, and as ever more continuous in N Ireland/W Scotland. 

ECM - like GFS for most of the time, but HP does not develop widely towards Sun 28th; in fact by the last chart Sat 27th Lp 1000mb off NW Scotland and HP only just hanging on in the S.

GEM - agrees with ECM


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Jiries
17 July 2024 07:05:43

Met Office showing 28C for Leeds as mentioned above so not just a SE event.

Even as far north as Newcastle it’s showing 26C. It’s just Scotland as per usual that misses out.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


It good for the north that deserve to get some warmth they badly needed after the horrible cold rain non-stop in the NE.  If 28C Leeds then Birmingham can see 30C and 31-32C in London.  Seem t kept ugrading the temps that used to be normal upgrades in the past heatwaves.
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17 July 2024 07:19:26

..and that's the UKV model too, as opposed to whatever the "new" MetO output is using. Good agreement there, and I can't help but notice the pool of 30s a fair bit further north too.

Yellow heat health warning issued for Kent with the county expected to be as hot as Ibiza, Paris and the Algarve

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/heat-health-warning-issued-as-kent-set-to-be-as-hot-as-ibiza-309888/ 

Originally Posted by: Retron 


There's usually a "hotter than Rio" headline this time of year too even though typical max temperatures are about 26C there in July
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Brian Gaze
17 July 2024 07:25:26
Also worth keeping an eye on late July and August.

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Jiries
17 July 2024 07:44:50

Also worth keeping an eye on late July and August.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I also keeping on eye on September and early Autumn as I feel it going to be very warm side to make up for cold Spring to half way summer seasons.  
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