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picturesareme
06 July 2013 09:06:16

Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. 🙂
Matty H
06 July 2013 09:09:33

Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



To be fair you live on the south coast. Generally speaking you're not going to be as hot as further inland. This is and will be a heatwave, although maybe not for your area.
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NickR
06 July 2013 09:27:52


Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 

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picturesareme
06 July 2013 09:31:25

Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



To be fair you live on the south coast. Generally speaking you're not going to be as hot as further inland. This is and will be a heatwave, although maybe not for your area.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



Yes but my location happens to be 1 of the warmest locations in mainland uk. Where in any south or soutthwestely base heat wave we would normally expect temperatures in the high twenties --- +27C. During an east northeast based heat wave our region is often the hottest I. Country.

An overnight low of 13 degrees when the average temperature is 14.5 degrees is poor for a supposed heat wave.
picturesareme
06 July 2013 09:39:40


Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



What is hot for the north east it's just very warm for the south east. :)

When they say a very warm oday but locally could get quite hot its not the same as widespread hot or generally hot
Matty H
06 July 2013 09:40:12

Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



To be fair you live on the south coast. Generally speaking you're not going to be as hot as further inland. This is and will be a heatwave, although maybe not for your area.

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



Yes but my location happens to be 1 of the warmest locations in mainland uk. Where in any south or soutthwestely base heat wave we would normally expect temperatures in the high twenties --- +27C. During an east northeast based heat wave our region is often the hottest I. Country.

An overnight low of 13 degrees when the average temperature is 14.5 degrees is poor for a supposed heat wave.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



But you're not making sense. Your early post says about local malarkey not constituting a heatwave, yet your using your own local conditions as an opposing argument whilst most of the rest of the country is baking. The coastal areas will always be cooler.
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NickR
06 July 2013 09:43:36



Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: NickR 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



What is hot for the north east it's just very warm for the south east. :)

When they say a very warm oday but locally could get quite hot its not the same as widespread hot or generally hot

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


With all due respect, what does any of that have to do with weather we can say there has been a heatwave? We can still have a heatwave even if the SE doesn't hit 34°C, you know.

Nick
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picturesareme
06 July 2013 10:00:19



Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



What is hot for the north east it's just very warm for the south east. :)

When they say a very warm oday but locally could get quite hot its not the same as widespread hot or generally hot

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


With all due respect, what does any of that have to do with weather we can say there has been a heatwave? We can still have a heatwave even if the SE doesn't hit 34°C, you know.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



Like wise with all due respect it was you who made this into a national discussion rather than my original local referal
.I.e southeast.
picturesareme
06 July 2013 10:01:27



Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



What is hot for the north east it's just very warm for the south east. :)

When they say a very warm oday but locally could get quite hot its not the same as widespread hot or generally hot

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


With all due respect, what does any of that have to do with weather we can say there has been a heatwave? We can still have a heatwave even if the SE doesn't hit 34°C, you know.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



Like wise with all due respect it was you who made this into a national discussion rather than my original local referal
.I.e southeast.
TimS
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06 July 2013 10:17:08

This is a particular type of warm spell - I am about to embark on some fun pattern matching with the historical charts but my feeling is that this is very similar so far to late June 1995.

Brockley, South East London 30m asl
NickR
06 July 2013 10:29:26




Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: NickR 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 


Originally Posted by: NickR 



What is hot for the north east it's just very warm for the south east. :)

When they say a very warm oday but locally could get quite hot its not the same as widespread hot or generally hot

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


With all due respect, what does any of that have to do with weather we can say there has been a heatwave? We can still have a heatwave even if the SE doesn't hit 34°C, you know.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



Like wise with all due respect it was you who made this into a national discussion rather than my original local referal
.I.e southeast.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Go back to your post: "When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey."


Sorry, but that clearly implies you are talking generally rather than locally. None of this post-revisionism please!

Nick
Durham
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Essan
06 July 2013 10:37:08

... for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



So it's only a heatwave is it's hot in the SE of Britain?    There are people lving north of Watford and west of Reading, you know! 

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TimS
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06 July 2013 10:43:01

Pattern matching for a laugh...


First. current synoptics and ECMWF forecast for just over a week later:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm241.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.gif


 


Next, the start and peak of some historical "heatwaves", focusing on first heatwaves of the summer.


June 1975, after the famous snow:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1975/Rrea00119750606.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1975/Rrea00119750611.gif


Very different origin, with pressure rising to the East and a heat pump from depressions to our South West.


Late June 1976, the big one:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1976/Rrea00119760623.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1976/Rrea00119760703.gif


Again, very different. Pressure rises to the South, depressions pump hot air over W Europe, and as the heatwave matures the pressure gets very slack. I have a feeling this is very similar to August 2003 - we'll see later.


July 1983:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1983/Rrea00119830705.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1983/Rrea00119830714.gif


A bit more like ours, a classic case of Azores high extending over the UK and then becoming detached, but like 1976 it peaks with pressure getting slack and a very messy set of charts. Basically the hot air just gets stuck for weeks and not moved on.


June 1995:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1995/Rrea00119950622.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1995/Rrea00119950628.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1995/Rrea00119950629.gif


Starts very like ours, and high pressure sits over us for a long time just to the NW. It ends with HP migrating to Greenland. Maybe that's our fate this time.


August 2003:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2003/Rrea00120030802.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2003/Rrea00120030810.gif


Starts with pressure rising to the South, and ends with almost no pressure gradient and Europe stewing.


Finally, June 2006 (the real start of the July 2006 heat):


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2006/Rrea00120060602.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/2006/Rrea00120060612.gif


Starts like ours with a big high moving over, peaks with a heat pump.


Make up your own minds, but to me the forecasts suggest something most akin to June 1995.

Brockley, South East London 30m asl
RobN
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06 July 2013 10:44:21



I'm about to batten up the hatches here at my harbour location as I think it's going to get a bit rowdy today as everyone goes all mad now that it is turning out quite fine and sunny here. People are finding it difficult knowing where to put themselves, especially what with it being the weekend.

Now, where's the tin hat?


Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


Don't blame you Ian.


There's a certain amount of tetchyness developing in my household already, and I'm thinking of hiding the kitchen knives.


The following extract is taken from the Wikipedia entry on Heat wave


 


Psychological and sociological effects


In addition to physical stress, excessive heat causes psychological stress, to a degree which affects performance, and is also associated with an increase in violent crime.[26]





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picturesareme
06 July 2013 10:48:34




Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



What is hot for the north east it's just very warm for the south east. :)

When they say a very warm oday but locally could get quite hot its not the same as widespread hot or generally hot

Originally Posted by: NickR 


With all due respect, what does any of that have to do with weather we can say there has been a heatwave? We can still have a heatwave even if the SE doesn't hit 34°C, you know.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



Like wise with all due respect it was you who made this into a national discussion rather than my original local referal
.I.e southeast.

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Go back to your post: "When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey."


Sorry, but that clearly implies you are talking generally rather than locally. None of this post-revisionism please!

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I am reluctantly responding to this, just in case you have forgotten that portsmouth is in the south east.

However I must confess it does seem now that you are selectively copying and pasting quotes from me just to prove an invalid point of yours
LeedsLad123
06 July 2013 11:34:57
Still largely cloudy here - too much humidity. 24C with a dew of 15C = lots of cloud buildup, something the models are useless at detecting. Would prefer May 2012 as that month had very low dew points prohibiting cloud buildup.
Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Charmhills
06 July 2013 11:52:21

Its a very warm spell/heatwave but not one of the classics i.e., August 95,  August 03 or July 06 as they where hot and for prolonged periods of time and widespread to.

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Gusty
06 July 2013 12:04:52


Its a very warm spell/heatwave but not one of the classics i.e., August 95,  August 03 or July 06 as they where hot and for prolonged periods of time and widespread to.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I think in about 7-10 days time it will starting to be classified as a classic .

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NickR
06 July 2013 12:14:07




Last night was a colder than average night this morning the sky sky have filled in and predicted temperatures have dropped. No heat wave down here thats for sure :(

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Personally, I view it as a spell of potentially warm/very warm daytime weather. Uppers are good but it was quite cold last night. Down to 8'C again. Yesterday got to 24'C which quite acceptable but today has more cloud.


Humidity may be the key to whether I regard this as heat or just a nice warm spell. It's early days but this certainly isn't a 2006 stylee so far. It reminds me more of August 1983 which was a very pleasant month which followed the searing heat of that July


Originally Posted by: NickR 



I agree with what you just said, for me this i think will be more a warm or very warm spell of summer weather, not a genuine proper heat wave. When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey. :)

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Your post implies that heat for the south-east, rather than being some "local" phenomenon, constitutes the nation as a whole. 


Originally Posted by: NickR 



What is hot for the north east it's just very warm for the south east. :)

When they say a very warm oday but locally could get quite hot its not the same as widespread hot or generally hot

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


With all due respect, what does any of that have to do with weather we can say there has been a heatwave? We can still have a heatwave even if the SE doesn't hit 34°C, you know.


Originally Posted by: NickR 



Like wise with all due respect it was you who made this into a national discussion rather than my original local referal
.I.e southeast.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Go back to your post: "When widespread hot temperatures are forecasted for the south east then it will become a heat wave, non of this local malagjrkey."


Sorry, but that clearly implies you are talking generally rather than locally. None of this post-revisionism please!

Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



I am reluctantly responding to this, just in case you have forgotten that portsmouth is in the south east.

However I must confess it does seem now that you are selectively copying and pasting quotes from me just to prove an invalid point of yours

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



I'm not. All I'll say is everyone else who replied to you understood the same as me. Maybe your post wasn't as clear as you think it was.
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Arcus
06 July 2013 12:14:14
Some of the cloud other members in the Yorkshire region have been commenting on has spread up to us, so the rise in temperature has been tempered somewhat. Currently 25c with a DP of 17c.
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Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
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Edicius81
06 July 2013 12:15:52

There are people lving north of Watford and west of Reading, you know! 

Originally Posted by: Essan 



😱 you mean it's not just deserted factories and a couple of farmers?
Sevendust
06 July 2013 12:34:35

There are people lving north of Watford and west of Reading, you know! 

Originally Posted by: Edicius81 



OhMyGod you mean it's not just deserted factories and a couple of farmers?

Originally Posted by: Essan 


and angry Scotsmen

Steam Fog
06 July 2013 12:37:34


Its a very warm spell/heatwave but not one of the classics i.e., August 95,  August 03 or July 06 as they where hot and for prolonged periods of time and widespread to.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


I think in about 7-10 days time it will starting to be classified as a classic .

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



Agreed. Maybe judge it after the event rather than before. Otherwise we'd still be listening to those who were confidently writing off this summer as cold, wet and grotty back in May.
LeedsLad123
06 July 2013 12:38:22

Some of the cloud other members in the Yorkshire region have been commenting on has spread up to us, so the rise in temperature has been tempered somewhat. Currently 25c with a DP of 17c.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Foolish me! It's mostly cleared off now and it's close to 26C. Still a little annoyed about that unforecast cloud however, but oh well. Nice now.

Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Charmhills
06 July 2013 12:56:20



Its a very warm spell/heatwave but not one of the classics i.e., August 95,  August 03 or July 06 as they where hot and for prolonged periods of time and widespread to.


Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


I think in about 7-10 days time it will starting to be classified as a classic .


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Agreed. Maybe judge it after the event rather than before. Otherwise we'd still be listening to those who were confidently writing off this summer as cold, wet and grotty back in May.

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I never once write off this summer at all.

Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.

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