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SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 11:59:05


anything more than 200 will be tricky for the aussies. They have a very fragile batting line up


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


A 200 lead is too far away to even contemplate as things currently stand, will do well to get a lead of 140 - 160.

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12 July 2013 12:01:48
For what it's worth I think Prior is the key when he arrives.
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Gandalf The White
12 July 2013 13:07:24

Cook looked bang out of form which is a worry.


 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 




Indeed. In fact he's been complete crap of late if we're honest.

I think a lead of 250 is an absolute bare minimum. The convicts have a strong enough batting line up that three or four of them are more than capable of polishing that off. The pitch isn't doing much at all. I reckon 300 is defendable. 250 if the convicts collapse.

Bell and Bairstow looking like giving their wickets up at any moment to be honest. Both playing and missing regularly.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



LOL - Is that the same batting line up that was reduced to 117-9...?

Anything above 150 will be a potential challenge if they lose 2 or 3 early wickets again. 200 should put England as slight favourites, perhaps 60/40, and 250 should make it nearer 80/20.



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Gandalf The White
12 July 2013 13:08:25

For what it's worth I think Prior is the key when he arrives.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



As long as he doesn't smack another short ball straight to cover...

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12 July 2013 13:11:51
Bell gets a reprieve.
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SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 13:13:28
I am with Boycott on TMS, was never an LBW on Bell, rubbish call from the on field umpire.

Bell survives and I wasn't worried about that one.
SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 13:15:27

Surprise surprise Bairstow is out  That one I could see coming. Those who have tickets for tomorrows play will be pished off.

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12 July 2013 13:16:29
Bairstow so predictable. Useless tit
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Gandalf The White
12 July 2013 13:17:02
Bairstow gone to the left arm spinner. Turning off the pitch now - not great for less than half way through the match.
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Saint Snow
12 July 2013 13:17:46

For what it's worth I think Prior is the key when he arrives.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


What's more key is precisely *when* Prior arrives   


 


 


Edit - FFS


 


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
12 July 2013 13:18:18


Surprise surprise Bairstow is out  That one I could see coming.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


He's not up to it is he, not sure who you would bring in to replace him though. So many English batsmen out of form, could be a difficult series.


 


 

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Gandalf The White
12 July 2013 13:19:34

Bairstow so predictable. Useless tit

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I must admit he doesn't fill me with confidence. Too many stroke-makers in the batting line-up but I'm not sure who else you pick instead. A certain Essex player perhaps..?

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Saint Snow
12 July 2013 13:20:01

Given England wickets are like the proverbial buses, which of these two is going to be out within the next few overs?


 


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SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 13:20:53



Surprise surprise Bairstow is out  That one I could see coming.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


He's not up to it is he, not sure who you would bring in to replace him though. So many English batsmen out of form, could be a difficult series.


 


 


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


 


There are going to be lots of team management talk after England go 1 - 0 down tomorrow morning and not just about Bairstow.


Some of Cook's decisions have to be seriously questioned.


Game over for me.

Ally Pally Snowman
12 July 2013 13:23:12

Not sure our batting line up can win us the Ashes.


Cook - Out of form


Root - not an opener


Trott - poor form for him


pietersen - Iffy


Bell - Crap form


Bairstow - Not good enough yet.


Prior - poor form


 

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12 July 2013 13:23:22

Bairstow so predictable. Useless tit

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



I must admit he doesn't fill me with confidence. Too many stroke-makers in the batting line-up but I'm not sure who else you pick instead. A certain Essex player perhaps..?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



A serial failer under pressure despite a half tidy recent pressure. You can guarantee he'd give his wicket up instantly in this sort of scenario
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12 July 2013 13:24:00

Given England wickets are like the proverbial buses, which of these two is going to be out within the next few overs?


 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Bell in the next half hour
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Saint Snow
12 July 2013 13:25:09

Bairstow so predictable. Useless tit

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



I must admit he doesn't fill me with confidence. Too many stroke-makers in the batting line-up but I'm not sure who else you pick instead. A certain Essex player perhaps..?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Compton back as opener, Root back to 6


 


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SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 13:26:41


Not sure our batting line up can win us the Ashes.


Cook - Out of form


Root - not an opener


Trott - poor form for him


pietersen - Iffy


Bell - Crap form


Bairstow - Not good enough yet.


Prior - poor form


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I said back on the cricket thread a few weeks back that I didn't think Root was an opener...... yet..... but that I would be happy to be proved wrong, Root has a long way to go before he looks like a solid opener, but I think he can get there, Bairstow on the other hand I don't rate personally.


 


New ball 

Ally Pally Snowman
12 July 2013 13:32:54



Not sure our batting line up can win us the Ashes.


Cook - Out of form


Root - not an opener


Trott - poor form for him


pietersen - Iffy


Bell - Crap form


Bairstow - Not good enough yet.


Prior - poor form


 


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


I said back on the cricket thread a few weeks back that I didn't think Root was an opener...... yet..... but that I would be happy to be proved wrong, Root has a long way to go before he looks like a solid opener, but I think he can get there, Bairstow on the other hand I don't rate personally.


 


New ball 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I think whatever happens we need to bring Compton back to open Root back to 6 and Bairstow has to stand aside for now.


 

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Saint Snow
12 July 2013 13:57:07

 


Compton back as opener, Root back to 6


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Just to add, I don't think Compton is a particularly good opener and he's certainly not *the* answer - but he'll likely average in the 20's/30's and, more importantly, let Root move back to where he's been most effective (in a position where England have struggled for a while)


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Saint Snow
12 July 2013 14:09:51

I like the cut of Prior's jib. This pitch & these conditions have shown that sooner or later, a good ball is going to come along and surprise you. I'd rather a player tried to get runs on the board before the bullet with their name on it came along.


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12 July 2013 14:14:23
Another batsman gives his wicket away. Nice one Prior
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SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 14:15:00


I like the cut of Prior's jib. This pitch & these conditions have shown that sooner or later, a good ball is going to come along and surprise you. I'd rather a player tried to get runs on the board before the bullet with their name on it came along.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


O dear, bullet came too early for him.

SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 14:21:46



All out 215 shocking! Our batting is poor with quite a few bottlers in the line up we could be in trouble to retain the Ashes.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


 


It looks like it won't get as far as the 4th or 5th day however and my worry if that Australia could end up chasing something like 150 - 180 to win the test on a 3rd day / early 4th day wicket that is gettng worse but still not at the levels Cook might have been expecting as he would have been expecting Australia to be batting well in to the 4th day and the start of the 5th. The whole game has been moved forward and is progressing at a fast rate.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


My concerns are becoming reality but still not certain. The pattern of this test was set a while back and nothing is changing regardless of how many times the pundits tell you the game is swining this way or that. I don't agree with this great test view either, Some very poor cricket and umpiring on display (Agar and Jimmy's ball apart).


I am off to bed anyway, I have no expectations of any heroics from England over night here 

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