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Saint Snow
12 July 2013 19:53:54

Top, top knock today from Bell. I can only assume he was rummaging in his kitbag this morning and as well as finding some form, found a pair of cajones.


Broad used up an entire summer's worth of luck in that innings, but fantastic that he stuck around.


 


I've heard people saying that Agar's innings was a one-off, a freak, so we won't have that to contend with 2nd innings. I tend to agree it was a freak and unlikely to happen again (possibly ever ), but there were other convict batsmen who are similarly very unlikely to be so shite next innings. Clarke got a pearler 1st innings that would have done for pretty much any batsmen in the world, but he's one of the few (possibly the only) world class player in that convict team, and has the ability and experience to dig in and lead a chase.



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12 July 2013 19:54:05
Sh*t????? WTF???? It was anything but, all day long! A fantastic day of test cricket. As good as any 😕
Saint Snow
12 July 2013 19:58:26

Sh*t????? WTF???? It was anything but, all day long! A fantastic day of test cricket. As good as any Confused

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Can understand what he's saying. If you're there, caught up in the magical atmosphere of watching the convicts collapse spectacularly, the lager's flowing, the singing and the goading of the convicts is in full swing. A massive first innings lead is certain, and then.... some unhered of, lanky sprog comes in at 11 and wees all over the fun. Yes, it was a great and historic innings. But if you're there to get pissed and laugh at the convicts, it was a buzz killer.



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12 July 2013 20:07:35

Sh*t????? WTF???? It was anything but, all day long! A fantastic day of test cricket. As good as any 😕

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



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westv
12 July 2013 20:22:01

A solid England performance.

Originally Posted by: westv 


Which continues.


At least it will be mild!
Gooner
12 July 2013 20:49:46


Ok may be a bit unfair just the afternoon was a bit steady or it may have been to much larger

Originally Posted by: NickR 



That was one of the best days of Test cricket ever! If you don't appreciate "steady" periods, then I'm not sure why you would even buy tickets for a Test match. 


Originally Posted by: cowman 


Steady


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SydneyonTees
12 July 2013 21:32:48

 I have thr Aussie vesion of radio Talk Shite (Talk sport) on here this morning and there is some serious dummy spitting going on over Broad, lots of use of the term 'unsportsman like', they think he should have walked.


Broad is now public enemy number one here 


Well said Sir Geoff-


"There is no debate, it's quite simple. The Australians I have played with and have watched, with the exception of Adam Gilchrist, believe in standing and it's up to the umpire to give you out - there shouldn't be a moral argument. They should be upset, disappointed and angered by the umpires. If they keep making poor decisions, it's up to the ICC to do something about it.


Didn't expect Bell and Broad to still be in, need to kick on a bit more and get as close to a 300 lead as possible now.

Gandalf The White
12 July 2013 22:55:51


 I have thr Aussie vesion of radio Talk Shite (Talk sport) on here this morning and there is some serious dummy spitting going on over Broad, lots of use of the term 'unsportsman like', they think he should have walked.


Broad is now public enemy number one here 


Well said Sir Geoff-


"There is no debate, it's quite simple. The Australians I have played with and have watched, with the exception of Adam Gilchrist, believe in standing and it's up to the umpire to give you out - there shouldn't be a moral argument. They should be upset, disappointed and angered by the umpires. If they keep making poor decisions, it's up to the ICC to do something about it.


Didn't expect Bell and Broad to still be in, need to kick on a bit more and get as close to a 300 lead as possible now.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


There was an excellent piece in The Times recently about famous sledges and exchanges, one of which is particularly appropriate.


Michael Atherton edged a ball and was given not out.  The Aussie keeper told him he was a cheat, to which Atherton replied, in classic Atherton style:  "When in Rome, dear boy...."


I must say I have sympathy with Aleem Dar: I train new umpires and I always tell them that you can only give what you see and hear and just occasionally what you think happened 25 yards away is not what happened.   It's why the review system is so good - and it's why both sides should use it for its intended purpose, i.e. to correct obvious, glaring mistakes.  If the Aussies had done that then they would have seen Broad depart.


Must be a decent chance that the innings will last an hour, which would yield another 30-40 runs.  If Bell and Broad can stick there for an hour or so and Bell can nurse the tail along then it could be another 75 runs.


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Dougie
13 July 2013 00:27:30


What a shocker by Aleem Dar. What an absolute shocker. How can that not be out?

Originally Posted by: NickR 


IMO that's called evening the score. 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I agree. I also think that Holding went a bit too far with his condemnation of the incident.


Ha'way the lads
Brian Gaze
13 July 2013 06:45:27
Most of the crowd paid good money to watch England bat. If the umpire says not out why should the England batsman disappoint them by walking. Broad was 100% right. If he'd be given out and then started chuntering it would be a different matter.
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SydneyonTees
13 July 2013 06:54:21

Michael Vaughan really is a total *****wit of the highest order. On the radio last night in his summary of the Broad incident he accused Broad of deliberately cheating and this is what has been played over and over in Australia today as the main Ashes headline and has been used to justify them calling Broad a cheat. After all if the ex England captain is calling him it! y Some of the reaction in Australia has been totally predictable, all of a sudden every past Australian has played absolutely by the book. Thankfully there are also a number who can see past the bullshit.


I have just read the full Vaughan extract and I see the Aussies have been doing a nice bit of editing and the bit where he mentions about Broad being right to stand his ground has been cut. Using the word cheat is a strong one to use though.

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13 July 2013 07:42:21

Michael Vaughan really is a total *****wit of the highest order. On the radio last night in his summary of the Broad incident he accused Broad of deliberately cheating and this is what has been played over and over in Australia today as the main Ashes headline and has been used to justify them calling Broad a cheat. After all if the ex England captain is calling him it! y Some of the reaction in Australia has been totally predictable, all of a sudden every past Australian has played absolutely by the book. Thankfully there are also a number who can see past the bullshit.
I have just read the full Vaughan extract and I see the Aussies have been doing a nice bit of editing and the bit where he mentions about Broad being right to stand his ground has been cut. Using the word cheat is a strong one to use though.

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 



Pin it on the England dressing room wall and ram it down their throats with every convict wicket that falls. Job done.


I'm loving all this. It's given the whole series a nice edge.
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13 July 2013 10:01:46
First ball fail.
Essan
13 July 2013 10:14:32

Century and half-century respectively - the Aussies must be loving it


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Ally Pally Snowman
13 July 2013 10:51:05


Century and half-century respectively - the Aussies must be loving it


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Great ton from Bell easily his best Test innings. We look like we should get up to a lead of 400ish. Which is a great effort from where we were.


 


 


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13 July 2013 11:12:14
Would need something extraordinary to get to a lead of 400 from here. Two wickets in hand, lead is 307. Would eagerly grasp a lead of 350 here, but expect less. Still in the balance in my opinion. This isn't a scary wicket by any stretch.
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13 July 2013 11:18:33
9 down now. I think Swann gave a chance with every single ball he faced. Looked completely useless for all 28 balls.

Edit: lead now 310
Ally Pally Snowman
13 July 2013 11:20:37

Would need something extraordinary to get to a lead of 400 from here. Two wickets in hand, lead is 307. Would eagerly grasp a lead of 350 here, but expect less. Still in the balance in my opinion. This isn't a scary wicket by any stretch.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Could defo do with a 20-30 partnership  for the last wicket.


 


DOH!


Lets get a couple of wickets before lunch then.


 


 


 


 


 


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13 July 2013 11:21:39
All out. Lead is 310. Not sure that's enough.
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13 July 2013 11:32:37
Wow! Jimmy has got the ball swinging massively in this first over
NickR
13 July 2013 12:17:52
I think this might be tight.
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Saint Snow
13 July 2013 12:28:15

I think this might be tight.

Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


Too tight 



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westv
13 July 2013 12:37:00

All out. Lead is 310. Not sure that's enough.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


It'll be fine.


At least it will be mild!
Ally Pally Snowman
13 July 2013 13:06:14


All out. Lead is 310. Not sure that's enough.

Originally Posted by: westv 


It'll be fine.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Not sure think we needed nearer 400 as a lead will be very close. The Aussie openers look well set.


 


 


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The Beast from the East
13 July 2013 13:37:14

Interesting how the mindset of players can be affected by these situation. If they treat it as a one-day game, with limited overs to get the runs, it should be easy but with all the time in the world, batsmen stop scoring and stop taking quick singles and put pressure on themselves


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