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SydneyonTees
21 July 2013 02:11:21

Pointless batting on it really is.

If we leave it until late first session tomorrow then get any rain Monday, it would be ridiculous. Wouldn't be the first time England have batted on too long in this situation and its cost them a result.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



Weren't you implying earlier that the Aussies can't bat?

We're where I expected, with Cook wanting at least 500 runs in the bank and 2 days left. Even if there's some rain on Monday and they lose an hour or two that's still the thick end of 150 overs.

Unless Swann's spinning finger drops off I expect him to be key. If it's turning enough there's always Root and Peterson in reserve.... :-)


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Typical wimpish conservatism. I bet you refuse to cross any road in case you get run over LOL

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



Only when I'm in the Bristol area, Matty....

:-)

Personally I'd tell Root he has 45 minutes to get his 200 and England 600 ahead....
And it'll still be largely done and dusted by stumps...

A win by an innings and 400-odd would be good in terms of the Aussie mindset!

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Probably the most likely scenario. But if Root goes out ther are starts knocking singles at around 2 an over then even if he is on something like 188 then Cook needs to end it. The best scenario would be Root smashes it around for 30 mins or so gets his 200 and England pick up an Aussie wicket or two before lunch,

SydneyonTees
21 July 2013 02:13:10


Holding made a good point on the commentary last night regarding 4th innings run chases at Lords. If you look at the stats there are a number of successful chases in the 300's and high 200's with just 1 to 3 wickets down implying that many more runs could have been achieved if required. Lords isn't so bad as a 4th innings place to bat. However Australia are so useless with the bat that I agree with Matty, time to end the England innings and get the Aussies in now. Maybe let Joe Root smash a few boundaries early on to get his 200, but that is just me wanting to see him get a double ton but probably best for the team just to get the Aussies straight in.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Quite. Which is why I said earlier in this thread that the Aussies should have been forced to follow on, just so they could be ground into the dust.


Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 

b


When was the last time England applied the follow on rule anyone know? Must have been a while ago now?


Just not in fashion these days.


The benefit to not forcing australia to follow on is that the Aussie bowlers are blowing out of their arses, they are totally knackered and hopefully confidence shot for the rest of the series. I would love the English batsmen to target Agar and slow his early career right down.

Matty H
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21 July 2013 09:19:43
Knowing England they'll bat through the overcast, ball swinging conditions of the morning, then put the convicts into bat at lunch, just as the sun breaks through and the ball does nothing.
Storms tomorrow. Cook will cop it if weather does England out of a victory.
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Matty H
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21 July 2013 09:23:10
And they are going to continue batting!!! WTF is Cook doing????
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SEMerc
21 July 2013 09:24:50

As the Beeb says, the conditions favour putting the Aussies in immediately, given the cloudy conditions, so it seems daft England continuing to bat.

Matty H
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21 July 2013 09:32:47

As the Beeb says, the conditions favour putting the Aussies in immediately, given the cloudy conditions, so it seems daft England continuing to bat.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



It's more than just daft, it's just absolutely stupid!

Given the potential for storms Monday (one hefty storm could deposit enough surface water on a hard outfield to wreck half the day) we absolutely categorically should have put them in for an hour last night. A tricky session where you'd have backed us to take a wicket or two against tired players who've been in the field for two days, but no. The record run chase clearly not enough for Cook. He wants to add another 100+ runs on top for no reason whatsoever, or is he putting personal milestones (Root) in front of the team goal? If so he needs his head seeing to.

Batting on this morning in cloudy, muggy conditions, with the lead we have and the forecast for sun this afternoon is stupid. Just stupid.
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Gooner
21 July 2013 10:09:07

Bairstow out and no declaration yet

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Gooner
21 July 2013 10:12:04


Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?

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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 10:12:53

As the Beeb says, the conditions favour putting the Aussies in immediately, given the cloudy conditions, so it seems daft England continuing to bat.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



It's more than just daft, it's just absolutely stupid!

Given the potential for storms Monday (one hefty storm could deposit enough surface water on a hard outfield to wreck half the day) we absolutely categorically should have put them in for an hour last night. A tricky session where you'd have backed us to take a wicket or two against tired players who've been in the field for two days, but no. The record run chase clearly not enough for Cook. He wants to add another 100+ runs on top for no reason whatsoever, or is he putting personal milestones (Root) in front of the team goal? If so he needs his head seeing to.

Batting on this morning in cloudy, muggy conditions, with the lead we have and the forecast for sun this afternoon is stupid. Just stupid.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



Declaring overnight was unlikely - not a lot of logic to that. The options were to declare last night and leave 30 minutes at the Aussies or bat on for a while this morning, push the lead to 600 and give Root a chance of his 200.

How long can the Aussies bat? 100 overs? Possibly. 150? Doubtful. Even with an hour this morning there's still 165 left. If 2 hours are lost to a storm that's 135.

The challenge for the Aussies is to make it tough for Roof to score his runs.
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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 10:16:09


Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Take the long view. Cook has had dips in form before, as do all batsmen. I don't see any benefit in dropping him and several good reasons for not.

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Gooner
21 July 2013 10:16:34

That was absolutely pathetic , if Joe Root was sent out to get 200 why the hell did he play such a daft shot, what a wasted period of time

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Gooner
21 July 2013 10:17:39



Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Take the long view. Cook has had dips in form before, as do all batsmen. I don't see any benefit in dropping him and several good reasons for not.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This mornings captaincy for one , no sentiment as a captain IMO

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
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KevBrads1
21 July 2013 10:26:44


Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



England carried Mike Brearley, infact they brought him back in 1981 as captain, they certainly didn't bring him back for his batting.

Mark Taylor had a bad period of batting and was under pressure in the lead up to the Ashes of 1997. Greg Chappell had a bad patch as Aussie captain when he seemed to be going off every time with a duck to his name.

Nasser Hussain had a real bad patch in 2000 but England won against the Windies for the first time in 30 odd years.

You don't change your captain when our team is on form and winning unless the captain is injured. It's the Aussies in a mire not England.
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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 10:44:39



Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Take the long view. Cook has had dips in form before, as do all batsmen. I don't see any benefit in dropping him and several good reasons for not.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


This mornings captaincy for one , no sentiment as a captain IMO

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



It's not about sentiment alone - there was no compelling reason to declare unless you think the Aussies can bat for 180 overs and not lose 10 wickets. Do you really think that's likely? If no then why wouldn't you give Root a chance of 200?

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Gooner
21 July 2013 10:47:55




Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



Take the long view. Cook has had dips in form before, as do all batsmen. I don't see any benefit in dropping him and several good reasons for not.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This mornings captaincy for one , no sentiment as a captain IMO


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



It's not about sentiment alone - there was no compelling reason to declare unless you think the Aussies can bat for 180 overs and not lose 10 wickets. Do you really think that's likely? If no then why wouldn't you give Root a chance of 200?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Maybe the weather ?

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gooner
21 July 2013 10:49:17



Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



England carried Mike Brearley, infact they brought him back in 1981 as captain, they certainly didn't bring him back for his batting.

Mark Taylor had a bad period of batting and was under pressure in the lead up to the Ashes of 1997. Greg Chappell had a bad patch as Aussie captain when he seemed to be going off every time with a duck to his name.

Nasser Hussain had a real bad patch in 2000 but England won against the Windies for the first time in 30 odd years.

You don't change your captain when our team is on form and winning unless the captain is injured. It's the Aussies in a mire not England.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I just dont see any contribution from Cook to the series as a batsman, as a captain I will never know as Matty could captain this Engand side to a series win over this Australian side

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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 11:03:11
Shock horror - Watson out LBW again.

Double shock horror - be hasn't used up a review....
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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 11:04:50



Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



England carried Mike Brearley, infact they brought him back in 1981 as captain, they certainly didn't bring him back for his batting.

Mark Taylor had a bad period of batting and was under pressure in the lead up to the Ashes of 1997. Greg Chappell had a bad patch as Aussie captain when he seemed to be going off every time with a duck to his name.

Nasser Hussain had a real bad patch in 2000 but England won against the Windies for the first time in 30 odd years.

You don't change your captain when our team is on form and winning unless the captain is injured. It's the Aussies in a mire not England.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I just dont see any contribution from Cook to the series as a batsman, as a captain I will never know as Matty could captain this Engand side to a series win over this Australian side

Originally Posted by: Gooner 




LOL. You don't think a win by 14 runs had anything to do with the captaincy?
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KevBrads1
21 July 2013 11:07:29



Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



England carried Mike Brearley, infact they brought him back in 1981 as captain, they certainly didn't bring him back for his batting.

Mark Taylor had a bad period of batting and was under pressure in the lead up to the Ashes of 1997. Greg Chappell had a bad patch as Aussie captain when he seemed to be going off every time with a duck to his name.

Nasser Hussain had a real bad patch in 2000 but England won against the Windies for the first time in 30 odd years.

You don't change your captain when our team is on form and winning unless the captain is injured. It's the Aussies in a mire not England.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I just dont see any contribution from Cook to the series as a batsman, as a captain I will never know as Matty could captain this Engand side to a series win over this Australian side

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



There have only been two tests to this series so far Gooner! Cook scored a century against New Zealand in the recent series, he scored a century against them on their home turf and he scored three in India. Don't you think you should give him a chance? Bradman didn't make any scores in the first three Ashes Tests of 1934 series. Would you have dropped him?


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Matty H
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21 July 2013 11:17:08
Wtf is he doing leaving that? Two more self imposed wickets to add to the list
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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 11:17:23
2 down - first for Swann.

PS: good bowling change by Cook to get Swann on early against 2 left-handers.

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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 11:17:57

Wtf is he doing leaving that? Two more self imposed wickets to add to the list

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



P r e s s u r e .....
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KevBrads1
21 July 2013 11:28:26
Poor Chris Rogers, out to an atrocious ball by Swann and didn't review it in his first innings then he shoulders a Swann armball and is cleaned bowled his 2nd innings
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pnepaul
21 July 2013 11:37:08

Another one gone - will they make to the end of the day 

Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 11:40:57

Another one gone - will they make to the end of the day 

Originally Posted by: pnepaul 



Yep, all this concern about rain tomorrow...

Would you want to be a left-hander trying to deal with Swann bowling round the wicket into the rough? Almost impossible now, when DRS means you can't just push out with the front pad anymore.
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